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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg Z and Chris were

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pondering the aftermath of the

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appearance of Rick Doty on the hammer

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cast last week we have been trying for

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over 10 years again Amnon and one day we

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caught away we agreed to comma and set

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us straight about a lot of things in the

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UFO field but also a lot of things that

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he has been working on all these years

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Jay Randall Murphy is back again with us

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and we welcome one of our regular

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listeners Michael Allen to the para cast

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Michael welcome show and tell us about

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yourself thank you very much gene for

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having me on

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I hope I'm coming in clear this time

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basically you know I started out with my

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interest in the paranormal years ago

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when I'm a best friend of mine had an

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experience and of course I was highly

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skeptical at the time this was back in

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the 90s and we were both that you know I

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attended SMU he was just a friend of

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mine who came and visited me and you

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know he would relay these the story of a

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daylight disc which I now understand

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that's you know the terminology that you

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know reading from Hynek some of Hynek

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stuff and a couple of other incidents

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you know at his house and so you know he

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was deeply interested into the subject

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and of course with me I was totally I

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hated the subject I I thought it was

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just you know complete nonsense

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balderdash

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and so I mean I it just kind of went

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from there and I've actually inherited

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because he had to move over to

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Switzerland I'm not Switzerland excuse

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me Sweden he's a good friend of mine we

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still talk on you know from time to time

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I had heard his entire you hope library

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which is like something like 40 some-odd

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books so having a background in

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philosophy which is one of my mate

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minors when I was doing a music major

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and at SMU and so you know to make a

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long story short

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over the years I've just kind of sort of

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read through the materials and I've and

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just to be quite honest I was just

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shocked most you know newcomers are at

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the the amount of material and and how

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much of it was by credible witnesses and

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people who who actually saw things and

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so my personal experience which I dare

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not even go into because it's not even

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worth mention I'm een there's a few

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things that have happened in my life I

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would call them non sequiturs but you

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know not really go into the details

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right now

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you know these were just things that I

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couldn't explain and so you know I maybe

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I thought somewhere there's something to

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it and well there you have it and so you

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know I've spent a lot of time arguing

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and debating and talking in the forums

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my personal position on the paranormal

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is that it is a wide pluralistic

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phenomenon that you have to sort of look

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at each of the things that are the

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events you got to take a case by case

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you can't throw everything into one

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bucket and so there you have it well I

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think you what you've described Michael

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is is probably you could boilerplate

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that almost word-for-word to a lot of

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our listeners I think emerging interest

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in the field when they first were turned

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on to the subjects and first really

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started researching these things for

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themselves how long have you been a pair

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of cast listener how did you discover

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the show I was a pair cast listener

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because I went to some place called

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check the evidence org which had a whole

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bunch of stuff on it I have to say that

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maybe one or two of the episodes where

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the parrot cat they said parrot cast on

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them or something and and I think maybe

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I don't don't quote me on this I mean

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you could probably go back to the site

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and look at and see there was a couple

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of I went just on a search to see what

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was available and I found your show and

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I actually have been listening since

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2006 or about around 2007 I mean I

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remember when you guys brought on

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Michael Horn I remember when you guys

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brought on Steven Greer I believe I mean

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I go back to the list and the archives

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it was pretty extensive that's way back

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that's even before my time

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yeah I actually remember when you came

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on as the other co-host

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David be Edney whoo I had a lot of

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respect for I hope I'm not stepping on

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any toes I mean he was a he seemed like

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a nice guy and I loved his analysis and

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and just utter destruction the you know

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that was that I saw you know laying on

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on the people who I for all practical

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purposes were charlatans representing

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charlatans I won't go into it obviously

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this is a family show and I don't

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necessarily want to step on anybody's

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toes I don't want to get anybody angry

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no that's fine you know you could talk

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about Bill Nell or see who else did he

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uh Paula Harris I think Grier Steve

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ambassador I mean there was a number of

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people I remember when I first heard of

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the show and they'll start listening and

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I I remember I even blushed a few times

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when he would go into his his rather

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strident and pointed interactions with

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some of the gasps early on but so so

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you've been you've actually been

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listening to the show for ten twelve

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years that's that's a lot longer than a

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lot of folks and so you've you've got a

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pretty good idea I think what the

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subject matter is I think you've it

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sounds like you've done a bit of your

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own research how much do you know about

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Rick Doty and his his involvement over

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the years or alleged involvement and

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Linda Moulton Howes work for instance or

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the bennewitz case I mean when you heard

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this show how much did you know about

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him well okay so Richard Doty was an

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interesting character and I was first

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introduced to him by you know none other

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than Richard Dolan and I'm not saying

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that like personally I mean like in his

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book the UFOs in the national security

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state is two-volume work which I have

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both copies here and one of them is just

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got it's so broken down with pages

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marked and everything that it's it's not

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even you can't even pick it up without

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pages falling out of it yeah I mean the

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Paul bennewitz case was the one that

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interested me the most I will say that

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hurt the encounter with Linda Moulton

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Howe and that's not something I could

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really talk intelligently about I mean I

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guess I could make some like it's

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probably speculate or talk about but

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more I was more interested in some of

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the claims that he had made I knew

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he was involved in the mj-12 or somehow

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maybe tangibly involved I don't

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necessarily say that he was Richard

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Dolan kind of dances around that I mean

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he's he's got a he's pretty got a pretty

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fascinating entry on the whole incident

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in his second volume you know when I

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real when I saw that he was coming back

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on the radio show or coming on the radio

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I went and redownload at his last you

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know thing that he did with art bell and

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I made sure that I listened to the whole

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thing all the way through of course it

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was an art bell it was George Noory or

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whatever or night I kind of like yeah

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this is kind of interesting yeah this

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guy is kind of sort of feeding everybody

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ever what I feel is just at what people

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want but I'm just going to you what you

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want to hear and I'm like okay whatever

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so but you know you can't really get

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into these things unless you start to

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analyze what they're saying and you know

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I I'm a you know my background I work in

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I work in security I do testing so when

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I hear somebody make a claim about

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something it that relates to security

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and in you know especially around social

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engineering I start to go and look at

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the details because and I think that's a

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lot of effort you you know a lot of

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people don't want to do that they want

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to be entertained I'm I've been

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entertained for a long time and now what

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entertains me is logic puzzles and you

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know sometimes there are a couple of

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claims that he made I mean I mean

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particularly I think you probably saw

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one of them one of the first things that

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I realized was you know let's just paint

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I'll just paint a picture you've got and

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stop me where I make a mistake please I

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don't want to just sit here and sell a

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buster but you've got this underground

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nuclear weapons storage at Misano

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right okay and then you've got Kirkland

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Air Force Base and supposedly you have

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some kind of does that mean hold on it's

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okay we're just signaling whether with

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the segment was over we're about 35

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seconds go ahead

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35 seconds so when I make a long story

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short I think that when you put all of

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this information together and you start

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to actually look at the details it

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doesn't make any sense and I can

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definitely go into more of what I think

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is why that's wrong and of course I'm

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not coming from the from a stand point

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person who's an expert at this and not

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at all I'm just an outsider looking at

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somebody saying something and then

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thinking about the assets that are being

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protected by the national security state

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I'm gonna use Richard Dolan's term

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because for lack of a better term that's

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that's basically everything we've got

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more to come

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Michael Allen newcomer to the power cash

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something else which is good fun the

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aftermath of the visits of the power

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cast by the one elderly Richard OD was

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his appearance a representative of more

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disinformation or is he telling it like

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it is at least as far as he remembers it

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Michael Allen you were telling us about

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some things now you became acquainted

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with the existence of this gentleman to

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sort of finish what I was talking about

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you know regarding the the assets I mean

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you look at the asset that's one of the

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assets and let's let's just count them

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you've got a Soviet satellite that

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supposedly to me sorry I'm reading some

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text from no jeans no I was reading

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something else when I look at the assets

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that are being protected okay so there's

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the NSA they've got supposedly

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purportedly

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they've got this they've got this thing

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going on with their beaming lasers you

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know or some kind of a.m. and emissions

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there's something going on where they're

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trying to enter interact or

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disable a Soviet spy satellite now mind

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you this is in the 1980s obviously I

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mean so you know there's enough

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technology there going on to think well

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okay if somebody's gonna send a signal

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up to a satellite what's gonna happen if

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they fail in that experiment

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well the satellites probably going to

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send back data when it does its next

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transmission so the Soviets and they're

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going to say well there was something

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weird when we flew over this site and

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that part just you know just alone let's

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let's take Benin with you yeah really

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good point

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I didn't even think about that but now

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that you mention it perhaps you know in

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the event of a failure that they could

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have left some sort of signature

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evidence for the Soviets to then pick up

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on and do some counterintelligence on

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their own or counter the

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counterintelligence so continued yeah I

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mean that's the whole thing it's when I

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look at these things I look at the big

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picture I see a lot of people involved

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first of all you're already dealing with

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some crazy people and I'm not saying

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they're all crazy

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well first of all the full disclosure I

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I'm a guy who thinks that we have been

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visited by extraterrestrials I don't

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think that that extraterrestrial

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hypothesis explains all anomalous

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phenomena I would never go there because

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it's a pluralistic thing you know you

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can't go to a planet and make a Turk

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turducken out of all of the creatures

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that are on this planet and go presented

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as evidence for there's life on Earth I

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mean that's not how you approach science

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you you look at you look at the

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different categories and I'm very much

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on board with people who say well you

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know we have a lot of phenomenon that we

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have to explain this anomalous okay and

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so you know I'm not going to go into

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this too much detail because I want to

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get back on the subject here with the

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Air Force actuals the signal with a

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alien tree talking about how somebody

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who is picking up signals from a very

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very classified program which is in the

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process of trying to blind a Soviet

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satellite I mean and then we're just

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going to go ahead and and let them just

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go ahead and what

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humor them I mean I have problems to

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problems and I've listed them in the

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forum first of all not only has the NSA

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in their if they if there is

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disorganized as they says Dodi says but

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you've given a direct signal line to

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your enemy on what to look for not only

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have you done it physically but you've

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done it like through the public channels

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public UFO flaps in hysteria you've now

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created a situation where possibly

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hundreds of civilians and maybe even

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misinformed military I'm not gonna throw

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Dodi into that category but let's just

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say you know bearing down on sensitive

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installations flying in helicopters over

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places taking pictures is that the real

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goal of AF counter you know Air Force

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counterintelligence

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does that even make sense it doesn't

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even make sense that something this

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would be going on at the same time I

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mean I have to believe that there's

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somebody at the top who goes what's

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going on with all this mess why are you

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messing around with this guy while we're

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trying to do these experiments why are

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you going I mean it's just ridiculous

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and that's why I laugh about it I just I

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just laugh I have to go know these

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assets this is this is a very very

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Cavalier way of protecting secrets and

460
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you just don't do that so that's why I

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forgot that all into the garbage bin I

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mean his statement for what it's worth

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it just you know the the background the

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just everything and I'm a novice I'm not

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an I'm not a person who does this I

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don't look at this stuff I don't care

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you know I mean I do but I don't I'm not

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like you guys I mean you guys have been

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involved in this for a long long time

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you've read through this well you see

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some people say that affects our brains

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and that our minds have turned to

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sawdust

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day around 5:00 p.m. so that's it's

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usually when I get off work and I'm head

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home and or decide that I'm gonna head

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home and then instead go to my you know

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usual happy hour on the other hand if

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you watch what's happening in the

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political world without mentioning

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specific parties or

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political figures you might think that

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everybody's mind has turned to sawdust

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well yeah but you know a Jean I think

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that there's just a lot a lot of things

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that are happening to us I mean just

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look at the technological development I

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know this I'm not getting I mean I hope

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I'm not getting off the paranormal topic

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and into the mundane stuff but look at

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the world that that existed you know

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like 200 years ago versus what it is now

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it's just else it's it's amazing what

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we've been able to do and I'm not making

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any claims I'm not gonna say that that

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was because of ET or anything I'm just

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looking at the human condition I guess

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if you want if you've got a couple of

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people in the forum's you know that

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cheer for the psychosocial hypothesis

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about an ominous phenomenon I'd say that

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problem perhaps it got one of the

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strongest you know right there in your

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face kind of test case as here's what's

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happening to humanity my great-great

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grandmother

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rode between Fort Worth and Dallas in a

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covered wagon yeah I mean it's just you

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think about that you think that's before

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flight that's before the automobile

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that's just it's just amazing I mean

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yeah you and then you look at computer

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technology you look at what look at what

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we had back in the 50s getting and look

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at what we wear on our arms right now

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this Fitbit thing that I'm looking at

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don't decide a night product placement

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sorry I'm not really not with them I'll

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have a more time folks Apple watch Apple

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watch oh I see more and more people with

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Apple watches remember also the Apple

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watch whose make phone calls the new

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version it could also measure your

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heartbeat with 97% accuracy very cool I

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toured thing I work in embedded systems

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security so I look at it and I look at

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these little lights on the back of it

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and I look at that little photometer

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that sensor that can detect the changes

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of my skin tone and really that is my

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heartbeat I mean it's just I find that

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amazing

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don't forget well further discussions on

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after the Perico

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the power cast calm oh you have to get

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back to our main subject though in the

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Wilshire we've got Michael Allen joining

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the power cast the first time looking

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over the Richard Doty conundrum with

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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Allen so the long and short of it is

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here do we take what Richard Doty says

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seriously or just assume it's got great

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entertainment value well let me ask you

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a question Mike okay so with your set up

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there when we're talking about the

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Benowitz case we know bennewitz was

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recording something and dodi was

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involved so if the transmissions the

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tracking system on the bass is just some

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sort of fabrication in order to give

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them an excuse to go there like what do

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you think the real reason was so the

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real reason for him being there because

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that his story is that this base had

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this tracking system going and that he

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was picking up signals from it and this

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was a classified system and so they

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needed to send somebody there to see

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what sort of evidence he had and and

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what was going on with it so if as

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you're suggesting that wasn't really

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happening then why did they bother with

676
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him the questions that's a good point I

677
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hate to say that I don't want to call

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into question the entire event and I

679
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hate to do that and I'm not going to I

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mean of course I'm not the guy who's

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making the claims with the air force

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going in there and looking at it well

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okay so maybe at the surface it was

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exactly fell into his the scope or or

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mandate at which his office let's go and

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look at people who are involved in

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anomalous aerial phenomenon that

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happened near Air Force bases which is

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Kirkland there you go number one and

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then number two involves somebody who or

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it involves of somebody who is involved

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in the you know like Air Force personnel

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from that point of view it makes sense

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when you go and you listen

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go further okay well he went in and he

696
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took he saw that he was picking up these

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signals I don't know somebody correct me

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but did anybody ever actually verify

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that those signals were coming from the

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Kirkland Air Force Base oh they did they

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recognize them I guess that's fine but

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the rest of the story doesn't line up

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and I guess maybe because I'm thinking

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about it from the point of views a very

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very careful and perhaps this is one of

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those incidents well you know where

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somebody wasn't really messed up things

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really just went awry you had the NSA

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doing experiments was that verified did

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somebody check that out and actually or

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is that just hearsay

712
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well don't says he checked it out but

713
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then again how much can we believe what

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he says well don't forget what else is

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out there at Kirtland Air Force Base and

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I have a great Kirtland Air Force Base

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story for later that you may or may not

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believe but it happened to me and I'll

719
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stand by my story don't forget that

720
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there's a National Lab out there as well

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Sandia everybody hears about Los Alamos

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and Oak Ridge and Livermore Lawrence

723
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Livermore and the other National Labs

724
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but oftentimes you don't really hear

725
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that much about what's going on at

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Sandia and Phillips I think also has a

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presence out there my assumption and you

728
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know we when we get Doty back I think we

729
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need to ask him a little bit more

730
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pointed questions about the actual

731
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project chances are at still class some

732
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parts of it or portions of it are still

733
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classified but we're not really gonna

734
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know until we ask him but I have a sense

735
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that Sandia was probably test driving

736
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some new satellite I guess the term

737
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would be countermeasures for satellites

738
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and trying to glean what the satellites

739
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were actually up to so we do have again

740
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Sandia National Lab out there so it's

741
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well within the realm of reason that

742
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there actually was that sort of program

743
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we're not Ron Regehr he'll probably

744
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confirm that for us yeah I saw his name

745
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show up in in the entry when I you know

746
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I was reading about this subject you

747
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know like I said I will tell you that

748
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right now I'm a novice I just keep

749
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saying that

750
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you know when I look at something first

751
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:30,080
of all you need to look at the details

752
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of the case and the assets that you need

753
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to protect I'm going to come at this

754
00:31:38,669 --> 00:31:35,240
from from the point of view of somebody

755
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:38,679
who tests security in devices now

756
00:31:44,379 --> 00:31:41,450
occasionally I run across having to test

757
00:31:46,899 --> 00:31:44,389
security in human beings in processes

758
00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:46,909
and things like that and so yeah okay so

759
00:31:51,490 --> 00:31:49,190
there's this thing going on where the

760
00:31:53,649 --> 00:31:51,500
NSA is bouncing signals off of Soviet

761
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:53,659
satellites to read barcodes or whatever

762
00:31:57,730 --> 00:31:55,850
insignia that are on them I mean that

763
00:31:59,680 --> 00:31:57,740
was one characterization I don't know if

764
00:32:02,289 --> 00:31:59,690
it's true it sounds reasonable to

765
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:02,299
identify them and that's experiment is

766
00:32:07,419 --> 00:32:04,970
going on and somehow there's a signal

767
00:32:09,730 --> 00:32:07,429
there's a very low frequency signal

768
00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:09,740
that's going out that has this audio

769
00:32:13,779 --> 00:32:11,960
well at war at least compressed audio

770
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:13,789
was the word I heard although it didn't

771
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:15,919
sound like repressed audio because I

772
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,450
mean maybe it wasn't digitally

773
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,039
compressed but it was compressed audio

774
00:32:25,299 --> 00:32:22,399
and here Ben wits is picking up and he's

775
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:25,309
right by the base so I mean if you're

776
00:32:29,289 --> 00:32:27,049
going out there and you're gonna say you

777
00:32:31,539 --> 00:32:29,299
need to get somebody off the tail and

778
00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:31,549
first of all look at the asset that

779
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:33,350
you're protecting I think of the

780
00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:35,529
uncontrolled out-of-control

781
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:38,840
human element of what happens when you

782
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,289
start humoring somebody into thinking

783
00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:44,480
that that's aliens in other words oh

784
00:32:47,499 --> 00:32:45,980
yeah well he came up with the story

785
00:32:50,049 --> 00:32:47,509
himself but just even sound like

786
00:32:51,999 --> 00:32:50,059
something in a disinformation somebody

787
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:52,009
who worked in that would even do it

788
00:32:56,169 --> 00:32:53,570
sounds like something I would go

789
00:32:57,730 --> 00:32:56,179
immediately back and go holy crap this

790
00:32:58,749 --> 00:32:57,740
guy thinks he's picked up aliens and

791
00:33:00,999 --> 00:32:58,759
he's right there

792
00:33:02,590 --> 00:33:01,009
and we've got this thing going on I

793
00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:02,600
don't know how much he knew about it he

794
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:04,070
may not have known anything about the

795
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:06,289
NSA experience at the experiment at the

796
00:33:10,690 --> 00:33:08,210
time you know like he says he was

797
00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:10,700
briefed into it later you know when he

798
00:33:14,919 --> 00:33:12,200
goes and checks the house next door

799
00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:14,929
because what are you guys doing here and

800
00:33:19,299 --> 00:33:17,480
they're like well we're just here no

801
00:33:22,509 --> 00:33:19,309
nothing nothing going on here you can

802
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:22,519
just see and then they're like okay that

803
00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:24,110
sounds like kind of the right hands not

804
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:25,220
knowing what the left hand is doing

805
00:33:30,879 --> 00:33:29,090
about nuclear weapons think about it

806
00:33:33,369 --> 00:33:30,889
well the thing is so like if we go back

807
00:33:36,430 --> 00:33:33,379
to the beginning what else was he

808
00:33:39,340 --> 00:33:36,440
supposed to do like we we don't know

809
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,350
exactly what the nature of that detector

810
00:33:43,450 --> 00:33:41,360
was if we think about it we put two and

811
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:43,460
two together we know that SDI was taking

812
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:45,140
place at about that time we know what

813
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,710
that was about

814
00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:48,080
it was about shooting down ICBMs with

815
00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:50,750
lasers I think it's pretty reasonable to

816
00:33:54,460 --> 00:33:53,150
suggest it if they can track a satellite

817
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:54,470
with a laser that they might have a

818
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:57,049
pretty good idea on how to track an ICBM

819
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:58,850
to so maybe it was part of the tracking

820
00:34:04,419 --> 00:34:01,039
system testing we don't know for sure

821
00:34:07,270 --> 00:34:04,429
what it was or if it was even there but

822
00:34:09,490 --> 00:34:07,280
yeah if his story is true that they were

823
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:09,500
testing something like that at the base

824
00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:12,169
we do know it was really secretive and

825
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:14,600
that they wouldn't really want everybody

826
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:16,250
to know about it and they've been oh

827
00:34:21,550 --> 00:34:18,950
it's already was thinking he was picking

828
00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:21,560
up something alien and I can actually

829
00:34:25,450 --> 00:34:23,540
see that yeah somebody's saying we'll

830
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just let him believe that we don't

831
00:34:29,859 --> 00:34:27,280
necessarily have to encourage him but

832
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,869
yeah I agree Randall I think that that

833
00:34:33,790 --> 00:34:32,240
makes total in perfect sense and in

834
00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:33,800
terms of a timeline don't forget now

835
00:34:39,220 --> 00:34:36,440
we're dealing with 79-80 correct me if

836
00:34:41,290 --> 00:34:39,230
i'm wrong somebody this is pre STI this

837
00:34:44,409 --> 00:34:41,300
is right around the you know the Iran

838
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,419
hostage scenario that was going on the

839
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,119
election Carter losing to Reagan this

840
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:49,520
was pre SDI but but I have a feeling

841
00:34:55,629 --> 00:34:53,210
that we're talking 79 80 which is pre

842
00:34:58,540 --> 00:34:55,639
Reagan announcement which I think he did

843
00:35:00,010 --> 00:34:58,550
what in late 80 or early 81 but I mean

844
00:35:03,010 --> 00:35:00,020
we're talking early eighties either way

845
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:03,020
so I mean they could still be doing some

846
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:06,650
sort of laser tracking on you know was

847
00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:09,710
that the the the impression that what he

848
00:35:16,660 --> 00:35:13,640
may have been picking up or stumbling

849
00:35:18,609 --> 00:35:16,670
upon in in terms of the audio were early

850
00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:18,619
digital burst transmissions because that

851
00:35:22,810 --> 00:35:20,180
would have sounded alien to somebody

852
00:35:26,109 --> 00:35:22,820
that was you know that grew up and and

853
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:26,119
as an electronics engineer and was

854
00:35:29,859 --> 00:35:28,250
involved in the analog world for you

855
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:29,869
know his whole life and all of a sudden

856
00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:32,810
pick up digital transmissions that may

857
00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:34,100
have been compressed in him where in

858
00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:38,920
burst form let's say you called audio

859
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:41,150
something it was it was some kind of

860
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:43,510
term it's like you listen to something

861
00:35:48,849 --> 00:35:47,359
yeah it's like looking at a wall you

862
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,859
know how sometimes he'll stare at a wall

863
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:50,960
and I know I'm probably saying more than

864
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I should here

865
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:53,250
stare at a wall and I see a face or you

866
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:55,650
know it's like random patterns was it

867
00:36:03,170 --> 00:35:58,650
what is it that I mean cuz he was also

868
00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:03,180
seen anomalous lights out OD Canyon and

869
00:36:09,740 --> 00:36:06,840
the Manzano storage facility and he knew

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enough having his shop literally at the

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front door of Kirtland Air Force Base I

872
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mean he was within feet of the entrance

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having his close proximity having daily

874
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contact with personnel from the base

875
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picking up stuff here and there

876
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obviously an inquisitive guy probably

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attempting to find out we go through his

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own intelligence what was going on out

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there and he seems to be a fairly

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imaginative creative guy we got a break

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this is the wrong flyer co-author of the

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UFO on Cyclopes other books when you're

989
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:24,920
I notice Randall you have a great

990
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:27,960
feeling for the word thought what is the

991
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:32,280
para cast there is no other getting back

992
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:33,890
to my point being that bennewitz

993
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:36,900
obviously was a very curious inquisitive

994
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:40,770
man a very talented electronics whiz

995
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:44,160
engineer designed monitor about tecum

996
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:47,400
humidity equipment for probably Sandia

997
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:51,300
and definitely Kirtland so you know the

998
00:41:55,970 --> 00:41:53,310
guy sees weird lights gets great

999
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:55,980
photographs full-color photographs which

1000
00:42:02,750 --> 00:41:59,520
not many people have seen and also then

1001
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:02,760
starts picking up strange audio signals

1002
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:06,300
I think that you know he made the leap

1003
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,150
on his own probably this is my

1004
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,000
interpretation of what we know but he

1005
00:42:16,820 --> 00:42:14,400
probably made the leap that hey we're

1006
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:16,830
seeing weird lights out there picking up

1007
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:20,490
strange signals maybe this is something

1008
00:42:27,580 --> 00:42:24,240
that you know was going on without the

1009
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:27,590
Air Force knowing or somehow is is

1010
00:42:32,660 --> 00:42:29,640
important enough for me to make them

1011
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:32,670
aware of what I'm picking up and then

1012
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:35,070
putting himself on their radar that that

1013
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:37,470
whole scenario has always made sense to

1014
00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:39,720
me what he was actually picking up I

1015
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:41,670
think we need to go into that a little

1016
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:44,520
bit more Dodi mentioned something about

1017
00:42:53,790 --> 00:42:52,260
I'm not sure about that I I've always

1018
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:53,800
had a sense that he was picking up

1019
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,560
something that to his ears would have

1020
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,440
been exotic and that to me right at that

1021
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:01,200
time is when we were really starting to

1022
00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:07,119
to I think utilize the digital burst

1023
00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:08,980
tech the signal technology and

1024
00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:10,420
communications technology

1025
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:13,240
bear in mind also folks they Rick Doty

1026
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:15,609
is not saying this he's not an engineer

1027
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:18,490
he's an intelligence guy okay he's a

1028
00:43:24,140 --> 00:43:21,400
spook and maybe he can play tricks he

1029
00:43:27,210 --> 00:43:24,150
can certainly finesse people with his

1030
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:27,220
chatter but doesn't mean he has a

1031
00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:28,920
slightest clue about anything

1032
00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:31,900
technologically related and that's why

1033
00:43:36,839 --> 00:43:34,660
gene I totally agree with that when you

1034
00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:36,849
go back to a story that's you know spun

1035
00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:39,550
like this I hate to use the term but I

1036
00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:42,280
call it it's it technically it's called

1037
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:43,900
hetero phenomenology but it basically

1038
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:46,210
means you just take what somebody says

1039
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:48,730
is if it's fiction and you just go over

1040
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:51,970
it and you try to ascertain what is

1041
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:54,609
actually being said that's that makes

1042
00:43:58,500 --> 00:43:56,530
sense from their point of view from or

1043
00:44:00,359 --> 00:43:58,510
from a global type point of view you

1044
00:44:02,339 --> 00:44:00,369
know like for everyman like another

1045
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:02,349
person's point of view and you're trying

1046
00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:04,210
to make sense out of it and so when you

1047
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:06,460
take them back row elements I mean and

1048
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:08,410
I'm by macro I mean like all of the big

1049
00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:10,630
stuff that's going on you know you've

1050
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:13,660
got this experiment with the NSA you've

1051
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,210
got which other people that you know

1052
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:17,920
corroborated it may have to do with

1053
00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:20,290
bouncy singles off Soviet satellites and

1054
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,070
reading information it may have involved

1055
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:26,560
blinding Soviet spy satellites from

1056
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:30,010
taking pictures of a facility that

1057
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,890
stores nuclear weapons I think that's

1058
00:44:36,839 --> 00:44:34,240
that that should be highlighted and

1059
00:44:38,990 --> 00:44:36,849
underlined at least 10-15 times or

1060
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:39,000
forty-seven thousand times good point

1061
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:41,650
but you know you look at the macros of

1062
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,900
these and you look at well okay so if I

1063
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:45,520
was involved in an experiment I wouldn't

1064
00:44:50,310 --> 00:44:47,710
just cavalier it wouldn't be something

1065
00:44:52,020 --> 00:44:50,320
that's I mean I can imagine kernels and

1066
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:52,030
people who are involved in this going

1067
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:55,240
okay what you're trying to tell me is

1068
00:45:01,230 --> 00:44:58,480
that we're going to try to blind a

1069
00:45:01,499 --> 00:45:01,240
Soviet spy satellite from an air force

1070
00:45:05,489 --> 00:45:01,509
base

1071
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:05,499
that's right next to a place where we

1072
00:45:09,509 --> 00:45:08,049
store nuclear weapons does anybody else

1073
00:45:11,729 --> 00:45:09,519
in the room think that this is a good

1074
00:45:13,439 --> 00:45:11,739
idea and I'd probably you get at least

1075
00:45:17,689 --> 00:45:13,449
four or five people will stand up I will

1076
00:45:19,859 --> 00:45:17,699
tell you I'm not not by any stretch a

1077
00:45:22,739 --> 00:45:19,869
person who has been involved in these

1078
00:45:24,509 --> 00:45:22,749
you know in anything remotely related to

1079
00:45:26,789 --> 00:45:24,519
that but I've been in meetings with

1080
00:45:28,859 --> 00:45:26,799
people who understand what needs to be

1081
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:28,869
protected assets that need to be

1082
00:45:34,919 --> 00:45:31,209
protected and the question always comes

1083
00:45:37,139 --> 00:45:34,929
in mind is when we do this what signal

1084
00:45:39,629 --> 00:45:37,149
are we going to send back to our enemy

1085
00:45:41,909 --> 00:45:39,639
and now you've got two signals you've

1086
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,919
got one that you've sent by just doing

1087
00:45:46,379 --> 00:45:43,359
the experiment if we were to believe

1088
00:45:48,569 --> 00:45:46,389
Dodie and anybody else who corroborates

1089
00:45:51,029 --> 00:45:48,579
what Dodi's saying and then later oh

1090
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:51,039
yeah well we got this other signal which

1091
00:45:54,539 --> 00:45:52,569
is all of the people who are now

1092
00:45:56,939 --> 00:45:54,549
interested in the benifits incident I

1093
00:46:00,149 --> 00:45:56,949
mean like let's look at area 51 it's

1094
00:46:01,709 --> 00:46:00,159
another case example bob lazar i there's

1095
00:46:04,109 --> 00:46:01,719
so many holes in that it's like Swiss

1096
00:46:06,209 --> 00:46:04,119
cheese I mean unobtainium look little

1097
00:46:09,209 --> 00:46:06,219
element 115 and all that stuff I don't

1098
00:46:12,179 --> 00:46:09,219
care I think it's interesting but you

1099
00:46:14,489 --> 00:46:12,189
know George Knapp made a very I get his

1100
00:46:16,409 --> 00:46:14,499
name right right George and that is for

1101
00:46:18,509 --> 00:46:16,419
an I'm sorry George Knapp yes yeah

1102
00:46:20,429 --> 00:46:18,519
George Knapp basically said you know if

1103
00:46:22,349 --> 00:46:20,439
this was a disinformation project

1104
00:46:26,549 --> 00:46:22,359
intended to try to dissuade people from

1105
00:46:29,279 --> 00:46:26,559
looking at the area 51 it's a miserable

1106
00:46:31,439 --> 00:46:29,289
dismal failure because I mean now you've

1107
00:46:33,209 --> 00:46:31,449
got even well at that time he said now

1108
00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:33,219
you've got these clusters of people that

1109
00:46:35,999 --> 00:46:34,630
are over there and I will add to a

1110
00:46:37,889 --> 00:46:36,009
statement yes they've got their

1111
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:37,899
terrestrial telescopes they're sitting

1112
00:46:41,309 --> 00:46:39,609
on the side of a hill they've got their

1113
00:46:42,929 --> 00:46:41,319
binoculars they got their sensors

1114
00:46:44,669 --> 00:46:42,939
they've got all kinds of great whatever

1115
00:46:47,429 --> 00:46:44,679
kind of equipment that they're gonna

1116
00:46:50,219 --> 00:46:47,439
bring along to try to figure out what's

1117
00:46:51,870 --> 00:46:50,229
going on at area 51 I mean that's the

1118
00:46:53,999 --> 00:46:51,880
same thing with the thin woods case I'm

1119
00:46:55,949 --> 00:46:54,009
so in fact I'm surprised I'd be willing

1120
00:46:57,870 --> 00:46:55,959
to I mean you guys are definitely

1121
00:47:00,569 --> 00:46:57,880
experts in this I'd be willing to go

1122
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:00,579
back and and say well well how much of

1123
00:47:05,399 --> 00:47:03,130
this did we actually go his fine people

1124
00:47:06,809 --> 00:47:05,409
that saw the Benowitz case and thought

1125
00:47:08,219 --> 00:47:06,819
that there was something to it and then

1126
00:47:09,769 --> 00:47:08,229
they went out and looked for it

1127
00:47:12,539 --> 00:47:09,779
well apparently we've had a couple

1128
00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:12,549
apparently he flew people over the base

1129
00:47:17,790 --> 00:47:14,980
not only that he flew a colonel

1130
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:17,800
over the Archuleta peak over and Dulce I

1131
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:20,170
mean I think that's one of the stories

1132
00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:22,720
that I read I mean it's just I just I

1133
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:25,750
don't know IIIi don't hope I'm not

1134
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:27,310
sounding like a broken record here but

1135
00:47:32,910 --> 00:47:30,880
it just it just sounds like a like like

1136
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:32,920
Christopher you said it yourself it's

1137
00:47:42,690 --> 00:47:39,760
like a comedy of errors what's going on

1138
00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:42,700
I mean I have other comments by the way

1139
00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:44,920
on other cases particularly the reverse

1140
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,990
engineering in cash Landrum case I think

1141
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:48,640
that was probably something else you see

1142
00:47:54,510 --> 00:47:51,089
that's also interesting here don't he

1143
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:54,520
mention that cash Landrum as some kind

1144
00:47:59,880 --> 00:47:57,520
of failed experiment this interest me

1145
00:48:02,849 --> 00:47:59,890
that might also make a lot of sense

1146
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,859
because of the radiation poisoning or

1147
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:04,960
whatever happened over there that maybe

1148
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:07,290
it was something that was conventional

1149
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:10,540
that's something that's screwed up that

1150
00:48:15,569 --> 00:48:13,570
also to me also raises the same red

1151
00:48:18,839 --> 00:48:15,579
flags with Rendlesham but it seemed like

1152
00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:18,849
Doty believed in Rendlesham and accepted

1153
00:48:23,309 --> 00:48:21,460
the reality believe the Rendlesham but

1154
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:23,319
believe that cash Landrum was a failed

1155
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,810
experiment gene you're forgetting no I

1156
00:48:29,309 --> 00:48:27,280
think you're forgetting a little detail

1157
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,319
he said that it was alien technology

1158
00:48:34,829 --> 00:48:31,680
that was being powered conventionally

1159
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:34,839
and that's an important little kind of

1160
00:48:44,819 --> 00:48:37,240
distinction that he made well sure but

1161
00:48:47,609 --> 00:48:44,829
you know what one of the most you know

1162
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:47,619
gnawing questions that I always get from

1163
00:48:52,410 --> 00:48:49,690
these incidences I'd love to know what

1164
00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:52,420
the color of those flames were because I

1165
00:48:57,690 --> 00:48:55,150
think that would indicate something that

1166
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,700
we could at least think about what kind

1167
00:49:03,120 --> 00:48:59,920
of emission it was I mean it's not a

1168
00:49:04,829 --> 00:49:03,130
spectrographic analysis I know but it

1169
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,839
just seems like a lot of times like I

1170
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:06,880
read you know there's a row of blue

1171
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:08,950
likes it ran across the center and

1172
00:49:11,370 --> 00:49:09,880
flames it can't

1173
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:11,380
occasionally shot out from beneath it

1174
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:13,210
but one of the things that's always well

1175
00:49:17,819 --> 00:49:14,650
most of time missing from these reports

1176
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:17,829
is the color of the flame and that's

1177
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:21,130
interesting to me Joe that's an

1178
00:49:24,270 --> 00:49:22,930
important detail would tell us

1179
00:49:27,210 --> 00:49:24,280
scientifically it would tell us a lot

1180
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,220
about the nature of the of the heat of

1181
00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:29,280
it yeah I mean because

1182
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:31,140
I mean like you know thinking you know

1183
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:33,060
I'm not gonna divert very this is just a

1184
00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:34,530
little I'm gonna push this onto the

1185
00:49:40,220 --> 00:49:36,360
stack and I'll pop it off real quick

1186
00:49:42,260 --> 00:49:40,230
gene but the princess you talk about

1187
00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:42,270
some people were talking about what in

1188
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:45,150
the farm what would be an example of you

1189
00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:46,980
know what what could we look for that

1190
00:49:49,610 --> 00:49:48,300
would show some kind of evidence that

1191
00:49:53,090 --> 00:49:49,620
we're looking at something that's you

1192
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:53,100
know not normal means of propulsion and

1193
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:54,570
that was one of those things is that

1194
00:49:59,420 --> 00:49:56,610
that's why I always look at the color of

1195
00:50:01,900 --> 00:49:59,430
the flame the fact that it was and that

1196
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:01,910
makes sense the fact that was powered by

1197
00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:03,720
conventional means which probably

1198
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:06,390
nuclear I don't know well the fact that

1199
00:50:11,390 --> 00:50:09,050
they had burns I don't know if they were

1200
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:11,400
one of them said she suffered from

1201
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:13,530
severe headaches nausea diarrhea which

1202
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:15,780
is typical it was all yeah it was all

1203
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:19,410
typical to or consistent with radiation

1204
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:22,980
poisoning right but the non sequitur in

1205
00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:24,710
the entire thing you know zooming out

1206
00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:29,070
and looking at the when I see gene are

1207
00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:31,470
you aware of any reverse engineering he

1208
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:34,200
says Dodie no I wasn't briefed into any

1209
00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:37,740
Rd program not at all Randall but on

1210
00:50:41,330 --> 00:50:39,480
another program you mentioned the castle

1211
00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:41,340
and herb case was a total failure and

1212
00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:44,520
Dodie goes well the cash Landrum case

1213
00:50:59,380 --> 00:50:55,820
wait maybe I was laying down I know he's

1214
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:01,910
did you just leak something out are you

1215
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:04,410
still operational it's a Walter Basel II

1216
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:06,570
would say you know it sounds like kind

1217
00:51:13,850 --> 00:51:09,780
of a kind of slip up a little bit just a

1218
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:13,860
tiny bit I'll tell you what guys I would

1219
00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:17,190
love to put Walter Bosley in Rick Doty I

1220
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:19,260
don't think it'll happen in the same

1221
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,390
virtual room you know people said we

1222
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:25,920
wouldn't get Doty and we did with that

1223
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:29,490
Marco Jean Chris Randall Michael you're

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1232
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1249
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house being trashed while a gang of

1250
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,190
thieves ransacked the place

1251
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1252
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1253
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1254
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1255
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1256
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1257
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1258
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1259
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1260
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1261
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1262
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1271
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1272
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1273
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1274
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:12,700
now here's Jane Steinberg I'll tell you

1275
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:15,480
this is a very crazy show for one reason

1276
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:20,049
actually two first I'm at Motel 6 long

1277
00:54:23,099 --> 00:54:20,559
story

1278
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:23,109
Chris is somewhere in the wilds of

1279
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:25,390
upstate New York on a mountaintop

1280
00:54:30,839 --> 00:54:28,450
overlooking Tennessee by the dimensional

1281
00:54:32,430 --> 00:54:30,849
portal no not kidding okay in

1282
00:54:34,109 --> 00:54:32,440
Pennsylvania actually born on the

1283
00:54:37,230 --> 00:54:34,119
mountaintop in Tennessee is what I think

1284
00:54:41,130 --> 00:54:37,240
of the Davy Crockett song for the 1950s

1285
00:54:44,370 --> 00:54:41,140
we got Michael Allen near Dallas but not

1286
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:44,380
in the oil district and we have Randall

1287
00:54:50,190 --> 00:54:47,130
somewhere in the remote wilds of Canada

1288
00:54:53,069 --> 00:54:50,200
trying to make sense but as I said I

1289
00:54:55,410 --> 00:54:53,079
don't think the dream team up will ever

1290
00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:55,420
happen and I think if it does there will

1291
00:55:00,990 --> 00:54:57,240
be fireworks like you've never heard

1292
00:55:02,940 --> 00:55:01,000
there will be nasty tweets disagree

1293
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:02,950
they'll just clam up and not say

1294
00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:07,450
anything no no no Jean that's perfect

1295
00:55:10,109 --> 00:55:09,190
fact is you get them both in the room

1296
00:55:12,779 --> 00:55:10,119
you're gonna know which one's

1297
00:55:15,089 --> 00:55:12,789
operational which one's not oh that's

1298
00:55:17,210 --> 00:55:15,099
interesting I mean give me listening to

1299
00:55:20,579 --> 00:55:17,220
that episode and I'll tell you which one

1300
00:55:22,829 --> 00:55:20,589
okay first of all disclaimer I am not in

1301
00:55:25,019 --> 00:55:22,839
any way involved in anything that

1302
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:25,029
involves counterintelligence and any

1303
00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:27,130
kind of crap like I'm a tester I just

1304
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:29,670
know you're not a government employee no

1305
00:55:33,870 --> 00:55:32,230
absolutely just how do we know that how

1306
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:33,880
do we know that sir how do we know

1307
00:55:38,670 --> 00:55:35,369
you're not a government employee

1308
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:38,680
my mother's gray it's not polite to

1309
00:55:43,650 --> 00:55:42,130
swear okay are you or are you not an

1310
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:43,660
employee of the US government have you

1311
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:46,930
ever been no absolutely not never never

1312
00:55:52,170 --> 00:55:50,529
okay no and it's always good but I mean

1313
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:52,180
I mean it's just funny I mean anybody

1314
00:55:56,999 --> 00:55:52,960
been to Vegas

1315
00:55:59,249 --> 00:55:57,009
any of the conference's around hacking

1316
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,259
like black hat or DEFCON usually they

1317
00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:01,359
have what is called a village which is

1318
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,670
like it's where people who focus on one

1319
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,200
thing involved in hacking and one of

1320
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:07,839
them is human hacking if any perspective

1321
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,450
and I'm not

1322
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:10,160
an expert in I mean I could give you a

1323
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:12,410
list of books you can read on human

1324
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:14,839
hacking and and social engineering and

1325
00:56:21,130 --> 00:56:17,839
that's something anybody who has any bit

1326
00:56:23,650 --> 00:56:21,140
of introduction or has been brought into

1327
00:56:25,540 --> 00:56:23,660
that subject is gonna see see some

1328
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,550
patterns and those patterns are gonna

1329
00:56:29,980 --> 00:56:27,440
stick out like a red thumb even if they

1330
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:29,990
aren't working in that environment you

1331
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:31,730
know what I mean so I mean that's where

1332
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,329
I come from okay are we live right now

1333
00:56:53,859 --> 00:56:46,640
I'm half dead I will be fully dead about

1334
00:56:56,260 --> 00:56:53,869
an hour sorry that was really bad yeah

1335
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,270
and please for yes it was bad it was so

1336
00:56:59,200 --> 00:56:58,640
bad that I will pretend it never

1337
00:57:02,920 --> 00:56:59,210
happened

1338
00:57:06,670 --> 00:57:02,930
okay good remember the first time I

1339
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:06,680
watched that was was on Oh God the

1340
00:57:12,550 --> 00:57:08,450
History Channel or something like that I

1341
00:57:14,170 --> 00:57:12,560
can't remember but I just did a real

1342
00:57:17,410 --> 00:57:14,180
good segment on it I think in the 80s

1343
00:57:20,170 --> 00:57:17,420
maybe or late 80s early 90s I was like

1344
00:57:22,510 --> 00:57:20,180
what eleven years old when I watched the

1345
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:22,520
Challenger explode and I actually

1346
00:57:28,180 --> 00:57:25,130
watched it live by the way that had a

1347
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:28,190
huge impact on my I know this gets into

1348
00:57:32,050 --> 00:57:29,569
personal stuff but that had a huge

1349
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:32,060
impact on my thinking where people

1350
00:57:36,430 --> 00:57:34,310
things can go wrong human element all of

1351
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,440
this that's when you decided you did not

1352
00:57:40,690 --> 00:57:38,960
want to be an astronaut I think so I

1353
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:40,700
went from that to wanting to work at the

1354
00:57:44,349 --> 00:57:43,310
superconducting supercollider and then

1355
00:57:46,510 --> 00:57:44,359
that got cancelled

1356
00:57:48,550 --> 00:57:46,520
that was another devastating incident in

1357
00:57:50,530 --> 00:57:48,560
my life I ended up like well the hell

1358
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:50,540
with it I'm just comes I'm just gonna go

1359
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:54,890
and be a pianist it yeah I can identify

1360
00:57:59,740 --> 00:57:57,050
that you know when I really had a

1361
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:59,750
problem with the super collider scenario

1362
00:58:06,010 --> 00:58:02,240
was several months ago when I had this

1363
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,020
weird feeling that somehow in CERN did

1364
00:58:09,849 --> 00:58:08,000
their first real major power up the

1365
00:58:12,849 --> 00:58:09,859
inadvertently slipped us into an

1366
00:58:18,339 --> 00:58:12,859
alternate reality where reality star

1367
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:18,349
would become president and to me that

1368
00:58:21,610 --> 00:58:20,510
that word reality and there's just

1369
00:58:24,490 --> 00:58:21,620
something there

1370
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:24,500
I'm sorry Jean I know politics

1371
00:58:34,570 --> 00:58:27,410
bah-bah-bah john bolton national

1372
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:34,580
security I think we've slipped into an

1373
00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:38,330
alternate reality that is probably being

1374
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:40,430
scripted as a Twilight Zone episode in

1375
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,950
some other multiverse except that

1376
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:44,480
Richard Doty is still in that same

1377
00:58:57,940 --> 00:58:56,090
reality so I doubt it I mean I just

1378
00:59:00,190 --> 00:58:57,950
listened to some of the kiss things that

1379
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:00,200
are being said by this guy okay yeah I'm

1380
00:59:04,750 --> 00:59:01,970
still in the same well I'd love the

1381
00:59:07,150 --> 00:59:04,760
socorro thing well yeah the the mechanic

1382
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,160
that they bein that they brought to Los

1383
00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:09,920
Alamos and befriended he called home and

1384
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:11,900
gave wrong coordinates in Socorro was

1385
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:13,370
them coming back looking for him and

1386
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,480
ending up scratching their heads I mean

1387
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:22,640
the Socorro incident just by itself as

1388
00:59:27,580 --> 00:59:24,770
an interesting incident and I hate it

1389
00:59:31,020 --> 00:59:27,590
just to be tainted with that kind of

1390
00:59:33,790 --> 00:59:31,030
comment but look at it was a classic

1391
00:59:35,710 --> 00:59:33,800
look at the assumptions behind it I mean

1392
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:35,720
I'm sure everybody's talked about this

1393
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:37,010
and maybe you've brought it up in the

1394
00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:38,930
forums how does he breathe in our

1395
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:44,180
atmosphere well yeah I mean come on that

1396
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:46,250
we could scientifically you know tear

1397
00:59:50,340 --> 00:59:48,710
the whole ETH and captured aliens and

1398
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:50,350
body smaller all the rest of it down

1399
00:59:57,940 --> 00:59:55,760
very easily no I'm just saying that

1400
01:00:00,880 --> 00:59:57,950
question it's an interesting question

1401
01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:00,890
and sometimes it just kind of me how do

1402
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:02,390
they breathe in our atmosphere according

1403
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:05,210
to the mythology their atmosphere is

1404
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:06,770
very similar to ours but a little bit

1405
01:00:10,570 --> 01:00:08,720
thinner with a little bit more argon or

1406
01:00:12,430 --> 01:00:10,580
something like that in it you're saying

1407
01:00:15,850 --> 01:00:12,440
well sometimes they need it maybe you

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01:00:17,470 --> 01:00:15,860
know a little bit of a booster - you

1409
01:00:20,350 --> 01:00:17,480
know I'm not really sure why or some

1410
01:00:22,690 --> 01:00:20,360
sort of filter but they can breathe our

1411
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:22,700
air I don't think that's too huge of a

1412
01:00:28,980 --> 01:00:24,890
stretch I mean what has also been been a

1413
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:28,990
number of et encounters where the

1414
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:32,810
so-called ET beans have had

1415
01:00:38,170 --> 01:00:35,450
appear to be breathing apparatus yeah

1416
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:38,180
getting the coordinates wrong I guess I

1417
01:00:40,690 --> 01:00:39,680
could go ahead and accept that that's

1418
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:40,700
not a big deal

1419
01:00:45,310 --> 01:00:43,370
the problem is that the basis of it well

1420
01:00:48,070 --> 01:00:45,320
most of that's true okay now let's go

1421
01:00:50,410 --> 01:00:48,080
look at the serpo claim and i think i

1422
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:50,420
made a comment somewhere that this is

1423
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:53,570
not by any stretch a close binary system

1424
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,410
I mean I've got a Meade 20 centimeter

1425
01:01:01,330 --> 01:00:58,880
you know she meant Cassegrain telescope

1426
01:01:03,820 --> 01:01:01,340
and I bring you know my daughter to look

1427
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:03,830
at it and if I was down at the equator I

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01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:05,810
think I could resolve the distance

1429
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:08,210
between those two that really extremely

1430
01:01:13,180 --> 01:01:11,090
wide binary star unless there's a third

1431
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:13,190
one there I mean I I don't want to put

1432
01:01:18,070 --> 01:01:14,930
all of the surco claims on Jodi because

1433
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,080
Dodie doesn't really mean he just saying

1434
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:20,480
yeah that maybe most of that may be true

1435
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:23,060
that's where it ends begins and ends you

1436
01:01:26,110 --> 01:01:24,710
know you don't hear any other details

1437
01:01:28,330 --> 01:01:26,120
about it and I don't want to implicate

1438
01:01:30,370 --> 01:01:28,340
it but when you actually go to the surco

1439
01:01:32,350 --> 01:01:30,380
documents themselves and you look at it

1440
01:01:35,110 --> 01:01:32,360
it's like oh yeah this makes sense from

1441
01:01:37,900 --> 01:01:35,120
a point of view a person who is really

1442
01:01:40,270 --> 01:01:37,910
loves at Marjorie fish diagram with all

1443
01:01:42,730 --> 01:01:40,280
of the dots and the connecting the dots

1444
01:01:46,420 --> 01:01:42,740
and by the way I spent some time yeah

1445
01:01:49,810 --> 01:01:46,430
that's excuse me it depends on your

1446
01:01:52,420 --> 01:01:49,820
point of view your POV in space all that

1447
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:52,430
stuff to me is just his total theater G

1448
01:01:57,850 --> 01:01:55,970
Lynn Caston I know I've made some

1449
01:02:00,700 --> 01:01:57,860
overtures to try to get him on the show

1450
01:02:03,580 --> 01:02:00,710
of course link Caston is the author of

1451
01:02:06,370 --> 01:02:03,590
the serpo book I'm not even sure the

1452
01:02:09,070 --> 01:02:06,380
title but I haven't really had a chance

1453
01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:09,080
to discuss it with him and I'd sure love

1454
01:02:12,970 --> 01:02:11,360
the opportunity to find out what he

1455
01:02:15,310 --> 01:02:12,980
thinks about the story too having

1456
01:02:17,290 --> 01:02:15,320
written the book and also Bob Collins

1457
01:02:19,570 --> 01:02:17,300
we've never had either of them on the

1458
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:19,580
show have we Collins has been on the

1459
01:02:26,050 --> 01:02:22,730
show oh yes he was on the show early and

1460
01:02:28,180 --> 01:02:26,060
then it got to be really weird if you

1461
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:28,190
give me a moment I'm gonna look up some

1462
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:29,810
of the information because I know that

1463
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:32,450
he had to do a rebuttal about what

1464
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:34,640
someone else said and there was a book

1465
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:37,490
that Collins wrote that I think was

1466
01:02:42,310 --> 01:02:39,530
supposedly co-authored by Dodie but he

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01:02:44,530 --> 01:02:42,320
just dis about the book he's a very

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01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:44,540
important person I think lurking about

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01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:45,890
the netherworld he

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01:02:50,350 --> 01:02:48,380
in this subject and also well he would

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01:02:52,510 --> 01:02:50,360
be really good to get LAN casting on the

1472
01:02:53,350 --> 01:02:52,520
show and talk to him as he was he on the

1473
01:02:55,870 --> 01:02:53,360
show early on

1474
01:02:59,980 --> 01:02:55,880
no no because he was the one that wrote

1475
01:03:02,890 --> 01:02:59,990
the book on serpo and Victor Martinez

1476
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:02,900
has he ever been on the show ah

1477
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:06,110
was it boiled in that whole controversy

1478
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:09,110
I think initially he was one that he no

1479
01:03:15,550 --> 01:03:12,650
he was never on the show well for new

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01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:15,560
listeners Victor Martinez don't ever get

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01:03:22,060 --> 01:03:19,610
on his mailing list folks I somehow been

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oh man I don't know how many times I've

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01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:26,150
tried to get off it he just the guy

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01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:29,030
doesn't have a life I mean so many posts

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01:03:34,540 --> 01:03:31,130
a lot of very interesting

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let's break like Jean Chris Randall

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gonna give you a secret folks used to be

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on fairly good terms with Victor

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Martinez back I think through 2010 and I

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was on that crazy mailing list I'm not

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on that crazy mailing list anymore he

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helped set up the original format for

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our --power cast newsletter believe it

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or not he did one just really I mean

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bright-eyed and bushy-tailed I haven't

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01:08:40,539 --> 01:08:38,150
really caught up with him in a number of

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01:08:42,690 --> 01:08:40,549
years but he used to be like rich

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Hanson's another one they they just

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01:08:47,860 --> 01:08:44,630
everything that comes along it just

1599
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totally feeds their fantasy for lack of

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a better term sorry Victor I mean I

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really appreciate all your efforts and

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you've done some really really good work

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chasing down stories and that sort of

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thing over the years but take it from a

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guy that helped design and build the BS

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meter factory you need to spend a little

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bit of cash and like get in touch with

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me and maybe order one of these devices

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meters cool I understand they come with

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Alexa come back at you when you say

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something that's wrong and since say the

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actual word or the euphemism what gene

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you digress my middle name my friend BS

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meter there's an app it's called

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spy robot sidekick okay but here's what

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happens in Washington DC

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the

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it's like two feet high like how are you

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gonna read you know ten thousand pages

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in like how many minutes what's a

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thousand minutes with three hours or

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something or two hours I understand what

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happens is you have to pass the bill

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before you can read it yeah oh of course

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yeah the Patriot Act would be a good

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example of that right thank you tell you

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what was the worst though with you if

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they said that the Affordable Care Act

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no one got to see it because of

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01:10:34,580 --> 01:10:31,679
something that was misquoted from Nancy

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01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:34,590
Pelosi but was posted online for it was

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01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:37,770
passed just mentioning that we digress I

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01:10:43,250 --> 01:10:39,329
still wanted to tell my Kirtland Air

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01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:43,260
Force Base story but where were we we

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01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:46,020
were talking about we were talking about

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01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,300
something I'm sorry I know exactly what

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01:10:55,700 --> 01:10:53,760
we were talking about but I think we

1642
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:55,710
should move on and cover some other

1643
01:11:03,620 --> 01:10:59,760
elements of his particular process and

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01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:03,630
how he related it to our listeners I you

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01:11:10,010 --> 01:11:06,360
know again there was something about the

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01:11:12,250 --> 01:11:10,020
matter-of-fact very relaxed way in which

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01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:12,260
he was able to relate a lot of very

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01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:15,570
jaw-dropping eye-opening information how

1649
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:19,320
can someone like that be so nonchalant

1650
01:11:24,589 --> 01:11:23,130
when claiming the Socorro incident was

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01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,599
just aliens coming to look for their

1652
01:11:29,839 --> 01:11:26,159
loss and buddy and getting the wrong

1653
01:11:34,729 --> 01:11:29,849
coordinates I mean he did not have any

1654
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,739
sort of sense of incredulous Nisour

1655
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:36,960
incredulity well I can give you an

1656
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:41,280
answer I can try but Walter Bosley

1657
01:11:47,540 --> 01:11:44,610
Walter himself says when you're in that

1658
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:47,550
operational phase what are you doing you

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01:11:52,069 --> 01:11:50,489
take the entire what you know the entire

1660
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:52,079
corpus of data

1661
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:54,960
well not data but stories and you put

1662
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,090
them into a box and you said this is me

1663
01:12:03,259 --> 01:11:59,760
or I mean at least that's how I heard

1664
01:12:05,810 --> 01:12:03,269
him in other words if you he

1665
01:12:08,029 --> 01:12:05,820
described in somebody you know please

1666
01:12:10,069 --> 01:12:08,039
correct me if I'm wrong because this is

1667
01:12:11,930 --> 01:12:10,079
just a you know I I did a cursory I

1668
01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:11,940
listened to that episode last night

1669
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,260
and Walter Bosley just seems to kind of

1670
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:18,239
hit the nail on the head on this the

1671
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:20,010
idea of how would have so many whose

1672
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:22,110
operational put themselves into a mode

1673
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:23,460
where they're produced where they're

1674
01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:26,730
credulous I mean where they they're not

1675
01:12:33,169 --> 01:12:30,030
this you don't hear anything in their

1676
01:12:34,879 --> 01:12:33,179
voice or in their any any kind of any

1677
01:12:38,180 --> 01:12:34,889
kind of evidence just a matter-of-fact

1678
01:12:40,819 --> 01:12:38,190
way they say things they don't have the

1679
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,829
they don't have that thing that's going

1680
01:12:43,339 --> 01:12:42,239
off in their head maybe there's in other

1681
01:12:46,729 --> 01:12:43,349
words it's that like they're putting

1682
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:46,739
themselves in a role that's a detachment

1683
01:12:50,660 --> 01:12:48,690
it's a form of detachment the

1684
01:12:53,959 --> 01:12:50,670
intellectual and emotional detachment

1685
01:12:55,250 --> 01:12:53,969
that allows them to be so matter-of-fact

1686
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:55,260
what do you think Randall I mean you're

1687
01:13:02,689 --> 01:12:57,030
Canadian now you guys are pretty good at

1688
01:13:06,350 --> 01:13:02,699
that just naturally see right now the

1689
01:13:08,569 --> 01:13:06,360
entire country of Canada will hate us on

1690
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:08,579
the power cast because we're just born

1691
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:12,530
with it there's a there's a sense of

1692
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:16,260
dispassion coming across it it's like so

1693
01:13:20,810 --> 01:13:18,090
matter-of-fact and Canadians are very

1694
01:13:24,220 --> 01:13:20,820
matter-of-fact people you know it's it

1695
01:13:26,989 --> 01:13:24,230
does take some doing to get to you know

1696
01:13:29,859 --> 01:13:26,999
get their dander up and stuff they're

1697
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:29,869
just super nice people you know having

1698
01:13:33,979 --> 01:13:32,010
actually growing up 100 miles from the

1699
01:13:36,890 --> 01:13:33,989
Canadian border and been up to Vancouver

1700
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:36,900
twice every year my soccer team and you

1701
01:13:41,060 --> 01:13:39,210
know having Canadian friends and and and

1702
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:41,070
of course Paul Kimble is in a classic

1703
01:13:46,459 --> 01:13:44,159
example Stanton Friedman you know be

1704
01:13:51,529 --> 01:13:46,469
Chris Bukowski really Chris Styles

1705
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:51,539
really nice guys Brian Mike research is

1706
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:53,010
that you know they it's just very

1707
01:13:57,379 --> 01:13:55,530
difficult to get them to get real

1708
01:13:59,239 --> 01:13:57,389
emotional about about subject matter

1709
01:14:02,830 --> 01:13:59,249
correct me if I'm wrong Randall I mean

1710
01:14:05,209 --> 01:14:02,840
you're you're a Calgary guy Alberta I

1711
01:14:07,220 --> 01:14:05,219
kind of like to think we're all bit one

1712
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:07,230
big happy family for the most part you

1713
01:14:13,459 --> 01:14:10,800
know the it's as my dad was actually

1714
01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:13,469
from Kansas and and so I have some

1715
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:16,670
American relatives and

1716
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,650
I just I remember the days when we could

1717
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:20,480
just dry them across the border there

1718
01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:24,320
were no no stops or guards up here near

1719
01:14:29,530 --> 01:14:26,360
Calgary at one of the crossings it is

1720
01:14:32,260 --> 01:14:29,540
like wow you know it is too bad those

1721
01:14:35,470 --> 01:14:32,270
days are gone but in what's respect to

1722
01:14:37,330 --> 01:14:35,480
your question what I found is that he

1723
01:14:39,070 --> 01:14:37,340
sort of had a couple of switches he

1724
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:39,080
could pull a couple of levers when he

1725
01:14:45,370 --> 01:14:41,570
was caught in a situation where he would

1726
01:14:48,220 --> 01:14:45,380
have to explain something he would say

1727
01:14:50,590 --> 01:14:48,230
well it was it was in the in the public

1728
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:50,600
domain I just you know from information

1729
01:14:54,610 --> 01:14:52,610
I've read in the public domain type of

1730
01:14:57,670 --> 01:14:54,620
open source open source

1731
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:57,680
yeah thanks Mike so he pulled that lever

1732
01:15:00,760 --> 01:14:59,600
and that sort of gave him the out like

1733
01:15:02,350 --> 01:15:00,770
well you know this is just what

1734
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:02,360
everybody else says I don't really know

1735
01:15:07,180 --> 01:15:05,570
anything about it myself and that sort

1736
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:07,190
of gave him the out to be able to just

1737
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:13,790
speak on it and say something and well

1738
01:15:21,690 --> 01:15:16,010
just comment or react to a question or

1739
01:15:26,710 --> 01:15:24,910
when you look at every single thing I

1740
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:26,720
mean I could create a transcript of

1741
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:29,210
everything else every single item line

1742
01:15:33,190 --> 01:15:31,760
by line and I can go okay I know where

1743
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:33,200
this comes from okay I know where this

1744
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:34,850
comes from these are all I mean most of

1745
01:15:39,370 --> 01:15:37,130
what he said aside from the couple of

1746
01:15:40,510 --> 01:15:39,380
tidbits that nobody knew about

1747
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:40,520
you know like for instance the

1748
01:15:45,550 --> 01:15:43,280
rearranging and the furniture you know

1749
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,560
to get rid of his alcoholism you know

1750
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:48,080
you know an alcoholic so that sounds

1751
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:49,490
like something my wife would do for

1752
01:15:53,950 --> 01:15:52,010
instance I mean hide your beer cans

1753
01:15:55,480 --> 01:15:53,960
somewhere else no it's a great great

1754
01:15:57,790 --> 01:15:55,490
Bishop may have mentioned that project

1755
01:16:00,220 --> 01:15:57,800
beta and I'm not sure right I did talk

1756
01:16:02,050 --> 01:16:00,230
to Greg by the way and to he'll probably

1757
01:16:04,270 --> 01:16:02,060
get mad at me for saying this but you

1758
01:16:06,700 --> 01:16:04,280
know he was invited to be on the show as

1759
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:06,710
a co-host when Jody was on and then he's

1760
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:09,530
been invited to to be on this show and

1761
01:16:13,780 --> 01:16:11,810
he politely declined both saying

1762
01:16:16,030 --> 01:16:13,790
something to the effect of that he

1763
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:16,040
didn't he just really couldn't see how

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01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:17,930
he would be able to add anything there

1765
01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:19,190
was really important he had already

1766
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:21,110
pretty much said what he had to say and

1767
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,730
there was no point for him to get

1768
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:24,560
involved again we can't pursue that

1769
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:27,410
further in a moment gene Chris Randall

1770
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Mike oh you're in

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have Gregg on I really appreciate his

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wry sense of irony and in sense of humor

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and the inside of course he's one of my

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favorite researchers out there but I do

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again not without saying too much like

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we really know about the government's

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type of operations that they run this is

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one of the few places really within the

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corpus of ufology where we do really

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have a sense of what the

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counterintelligence community of the US

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government how they operate what they do

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how they do it the manners and methods I

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think it's a great book project beta and

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do

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pick it up on anomalous books there you

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go that week anyway

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I want to go ahead and liven things up a

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little bit here I got a great story

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you guys can believe it or not I don't

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think I've ever I mean I have to bring

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up the BS meter hold on a second grace

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let me turn this on at one point this

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would have been I'm not sure I think 95

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or 96 I went down to visit a an

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Albuquerque investigator who shall

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remain nameless but interestingly enough

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01:24:28,020 --> 01:24:25,179
she grew up knowing the better

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01:24:30,750 --> 01:24:28,030
woodsfamily she I think Paul wanted

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01:24:33,660 --> 01:24:30,760
Paul's sons was in where Paul son was in

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01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:33,670
her high school class she was never

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01:24:38,850 --> 01:24:36,489
happy with what happened and at the time

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01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,860
you know of course bennewitz was still

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01:24:43,260 --> 01:24:41,440
alive and and what transpired in his

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01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:43,270
life really messed the family up and she

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01:24:48,780 --> 01:24:46,030
was always very up in arms about that

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01:24:50,970 --> 01:24:48,790
she really felt the government was

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culpable in driving him over the edge

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01:24:54,810 --> 01:24:52,510
getting him to a point where he was

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01:24:58,109 --> 01:24:54,820
actually committed and she says you know

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01:25:00,000 --> 01:24:58,119
let's go out and see Thunder was that

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01:25:02,370 --> 01:25:00,010
Thunder electronics or whatever has his

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01:25:04,620 --> 01:25:02,380
company was still there right there at

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01:25:05,250 --> 01:25:04,630
the within feet of the gate of Kirtland

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Air Force Base

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and so went out there and she showed me

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01:25:11,459 --> 01:25:08,679
as we're saying that she goes let's go

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01:25:12,030 --> 01:25:11,469
let's go see the Atomic Energy Museum or

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01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:12,040
whatever

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01:25:16,590 --> 01:25:15,370
there's a museum inside Kerlin Air Force

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01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:16,600
Base you have to go through the gate and

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01:25:20,820 --> 01:25:19,570
you say I'm gonna go see the museum so

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01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:20,830
we went in there and we walked around

1958
01:25:25,140 --> 01:25:23,050
and she goes okay you ready I said what

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01:25:28,650 --> 01:25:25,150
do you mean she goes check this out

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01:25:30,510 --> 01:25:28,660
and she took off in her car straight out

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01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:30,520
into the base I mean she'd started

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01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:32,770
hauling ass out into Kirtland Air Force

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01:25:37,170 --> 01:25:35,050
Base and I'm going what are you doing

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01:25:39,540 --> 01:25:37,180
and she's oh I've done this a bunch she

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01:25:41,670 --> 01:25:39,550
goes just don't say anything okay I'm

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01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:41,680
driving here and the first thing she did

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01:25:46,050 --> 01:25:42,970
was took off

1968
01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:46,060
- coyote Canyon where the famous

1969
01:25:51,090 --> 01:25:48,310
bennewitz photographs were taken the aid

1970
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:51,100
the entrance to the Manzano nuclear

1971
01:25:55,950 --> 01:25:53,650
weapons storage facility in and she

1972
01:25:59,550 --> 01:25:55,960
takes off I mean she's gone miles and

1973
01:26:02,700 --> 01:25:59,560
I'm saying are you crazy you know I

1974
01:26:05,070 --> 01:26:02,710
don't know you I'm being taken hostage

1975
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:05,080
you know you've kidnapped me and this is

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01:26:10,980 --> 01:26:09,010
not I'm doing this under protest because

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01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:10,990
to be quite honest with you I was

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01:26:15,900 --> 01:26:13,510
terrified I was you know headed directly

1979
01:26:16,770 --> 01:26:15,910
towards one of the most secure areas in

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01:26:18,690 --> 01:26:16,780
the United States

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01:26:20,190 --> 01:26:18,700
oh she drove out there and she was okay

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01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:20,200
we'll check this out she started taking

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01:26:24,810 --> 01:26:22,330
me to places where she knew that they've

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01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:24,820
been doing certain types of experiments

1985
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:26,110
she didn't know what they were but there

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01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:27,280
are these weird you know like

1987
01:26:31,710 --> 01:26:29,440
cul-de-sacs and she'd drive up there and

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01:26:34,020 --> 01:26:31,720
show me this one spot with a big huge

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01:26:35,970 --> 01:26:34,030
circular array on the ground and then

1990
01:26:38,820 --> 01:26:35,980
she'd take off she goes well I said look

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01:26:40,890 --> 01:26:38,830
this is all fine and dandy but I'm

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01:26:43,050 --> 01:26:40,900
really uncomfortable I can't believe

1993
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:43,060
that you're doing this I can't believe

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01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:45,370
we're getting away with this what does

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01:26:49,890 --> 01:26:47,530
this say about the state of national

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01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:49,900
security and of course this is all pre

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01:26:57,090 --> 01:26:54,970
9/11 Bob I probably 78 years maybe last

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01:26:58,530 --> 01:26:57,100
five years but and I said but but but

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01:27:01,110 --> 01:26:58,540
look really I am really uncomfortable

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01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:01,120
with this so it's okay well I won't take

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01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:02,320
you over to show you sand

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01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:05,230
yeah in the Phillips lab and I'm like oh

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01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:06,880
well thank you thank you for small

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01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:08,650
favors and so by this time it was

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01:27:13,470 --> 01:27:11,170
getting dark and she goes oh let me take

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01:27:16,860 --> 01:27:13,480
you to where the black helicopters take

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01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:16,870
off from I said oh my god please really

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01:27:20,460 --> 01:27:18,970
you know enough Sanath you know Kirtland

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01:27:22,650 --> 01:27:20,470
Air Force Base is attached to the

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01:27:25,020 --> 01:27:22,660
Albuquerque Airport out on the tarmac

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01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:25,030
there is no real gates or barriers or

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01:27:28,089 --> 01:27:25,760
anything so we

2013
01:27:31,180 --> 01:27:28,099
drove right to the area where again

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01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:31,190
close to the Albuquerque side of the

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01:27:34,419 --> 01:27:32,719
base where you have all your

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01:27:37,299 --> 01:27:34,429
infrastructure and everything and all

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01:27:39,790 --> 01:27:37,309
the hangars and so it was it was just

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01:27:41,859 --> 01:27:39,800
past dusk and there was still a little

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01:27:44,350 --> 01:27:41,869
bit of light but not much and so she so

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01:27:46,569 --> 01:27:44,360
she took me to over to this hangars a

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01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:46,579
hangar area and we went around a corner

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01:27:51,879 --> 01:27:50,000
and in her car you know saw in the car

2023
01:27:53,740 --> 01:27:51,889
and there sure enough there were some

2024
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:53,750
Blackhawks and you know in the dark they

2025
01:28:01,419 --> 01:27:58,130
looked black and I said wow those are

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01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:01,429
the those are literally by definition

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01:28:05,290 --> 01:28:03,199
black helicopters yeah we could tell

2028
01:28:07,089 --> 01:28:05,300
that they had no markings on them that

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01:28:08,859 --> 01:28:07,099
they were not only black but they were

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01:28:11,470 --> 01:28:08,869
kind of a glossy black there was just

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01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:11,480
enough light to make out that they

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01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:13,250
weren't dark green or dark purple or

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01:28:22,089 --> 01:28:15,199
something she was I'm gonna get a

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01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:22,099
picture of these do you really wanna do

2035
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:24,320
that before I could even say anything

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01:28:31,390 --> 01:28:25,760
she hopped out and she took a picture

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01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:31,400
and her flash lit up the whole lit up

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01:28:37,779 --> 01:28:34,250
the whole area and I tell you I almost

2039
01:28:41,140 --> 01:28:37,789
evacuated my bowels I was so freaked and

2040
01:28:42,939 --> 01:28:41,150
so we zipped out and sure enough we you

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01:28:45,370 --> 01:28:42,949
know we went back out the gate like

2042
01:28:48,189 --> 01:28:45,380
nothing happened then and that was my

2043
01:28:51,339 --> 01:28:48,199
you know two hour maybe hour and a half

2044
01:28:54,069 --> 01:28:51,349
I spend so long I don't know we drove

2045
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,079
all over the place out there totally

2046
01:28:58,540 --> 01:28:56,480
unmolested we never saw a couple times I

2047
01:29:04,330 --> 01:28:58,550
think we passed vehicles nothing

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01:29:09,580 --> 01:29:04,340
official looking so if this is 5 or 6

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01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:09,590
years after well actually longer than

2050
01:29:17,709 --> 01:29:15,440
that like 15 16 years after the whole

2051
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:17,719
bennewitz affair and all that they sure

2052
01:29:20,049 --> 01:29:18,170
haven't

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01:29:22,060 --> 01:29:20,059
at least at that point they hadn't

2054
01:29:23,709 --> 01:29:22,070
improved security much because if you

2055
01:29:25,629 --> 01:29:23,719
said you were going to the atomic energy

2056
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:25,639
museum they let you drive onto the base

2057
01:29:29,740 --> 01:29:27,199
and of course the the museum was right

2058
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:29,750
there with inside of the of the garden

2059
01:29:35,319 --> 01:29:32,449
you know the area where you go through

2060
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:35,329
the gate and the guards and everything I

2061
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:37,410
mean it's right there

2062
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:39,840
but to just get in your car and then

2063
01:29:44,750 --> 01:29:42,090
take out on take off out onto the bait

2064
01:29:47,150 --> 01:29:44,760
to me it was just I couldn't believe it

2065
01:29:49,190 --> 01:29:47,160
I mean there's a National Lab out there

2066
01:29:52,060 --> 01:29:49,200
there's the largest repository of

2067
01:29:55,870 --> 01:29:52,070
nuclear weapons I think in the country

2068
01:30:01,400 --> 01:29:55,880
out there just it just boggled my mind

2069
01:30:02,660 --> 01:30:01,410
so maybe I mean you know maybe yeah

2070
01:30:04,730 --> 01:30:02,670
maybe the base work you know maybe

2071
01:30:06,290 --> 01:30:04,740
coyote can and maybe Manzano wasn't

2072
01:30:08,330 --> 01:30:06,300
maybe they moved everything I don't know

2073
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:08,340
but it still doesn't make sense to me

2074
01:30:13,790 --> 01:30:09,690
that you could drive around an Air Force

2075
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:13,800
Base with a national lab but totally you

2076
01:30:19,970 --> 01:30:17,370
know just with the impunity I mean

2077
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:19,980
nobody stopped us so we never saw an

2078
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:22,410
official vehicle it just blew my mind

2079
01:30:27,860 --> 01:30:24,930
let's let's blow our minds another

2080
01:30:38,140 --> 01:30:27,870
segment with Chris gene Randall and

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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more at Rocko its calm that's rock oh

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the sound of a house being trashed while

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a gang of thieves ran stacked with rice

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and what they don't steal will be

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comm you're listening to the Peres cast

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the gold standard of paranormal so Chris

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once you proceed with asking the

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questions of our vast listening panel

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here ok vast listening panel get skinny

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real quick and tell me what you think

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about that I've heard other stories that

2190
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are kind of similar I don't have the

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sort of eidetic memory as you guys do

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01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:29,990
but there's was one fellow that's into

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the moon the other people on the moon

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01:35:37,210 --> 01:35:35,240
kind of thing and he wanted to get the

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01:35:39,850 --> 01:35:37,220
original pictures of stuff that was

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going on on the moon from satellites

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that were in orbit and from the space

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01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:44,570
program and he went to the NASA facility

2199
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:49,490
and they told them at one point in this

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01:35:52,990 --> 01:35:51,050
it's the whole story is a really

2201
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:53,000
convoluted story but at one point they

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01:35:57,340 --> 01:35:54,890
said to go to this building where the

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01:35:59,440 --> 01:35:57,350
archives were so him and his people went

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01:36:03,580 --> 01:35:59,450
out there and they ended up wandering

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01:36:05,170 --> 01:36:03,590
around classified NASA spots until they

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01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:05,180
came upon an actual building where there

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01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:06,320
was a bunch of people they thought they

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01:36:09,020 --> 01:36:07,760
were in the right place and it turned

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out that they were in

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01:36:13,670 --> 01:36:11,310
completely secret building where they

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01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:13,680
were actively monitoring something that

2212
01:36:17,780 --> 01:36:15,600
was going on and until somebody finally

2213
01:36:20,540 --> 01:36:17,790
turned around and said like who are you

2214
01:36:22,610 --> 01:36:20,550
guys so it's kind of not the first story

2215
01:36:23,180 --> 01:36:22,620
I've heard of that sort of thing taking

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01:36:24,980 --> 01:36:23,190
place

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01:36:27,170 --> 01:36:24,990
it certainly doesn't sound like

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01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:27,180
something you would where you would be

2219
01:36:30,980 --> 01:36:28,770
you know certainly doesn't sound

2220
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:30,990
anything like the NSA I mean the NSA

2221
01:36:33,890 --> 01:36:32,370
they'll have armed guards that will

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01:36:36,260 --> 01:36:33,900
shoot you if you drive right past there

2223
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:36,270
whatever it is going in to Fort Meade I

2224
01:36:40,940 --> 01:36:38,490
mean that's just not I guess when you're

2225
01:36:41,930 --> 01:36:40,950
talking about 60 years afterwards but

2226
01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:41,940
you're talking about a different

2227
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:44,490
scenario that's I guess I'm not more

2228
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:48,090
reacting to what Chris was saying but

2229
01:36:51,770 --> 01:36:48,930
yeah

2230
01:36:53,570 --> 01:36:51,780
it just seems odd I mean in the context

2231
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:53,580
of the of the Kirkland Air Force Base

2232
01:36:59,000 --> 01:36:56,250
incident you have all of this activity

2233
01:37:02,150 --> 01:36:59,010
going on around 1980 and then a few

2234
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:02,160
years later Chris is able to admittedly

2235
01:37:05,810 --> 01:37:04,050
against his will get drunk

2236
01:37:07,850 --> 01:37:05,820
rolling around all over the place you

2237
01:37:10,130 --> 01:37:07,860
know where supposedly what you know

2238
01:37:11,930 --> 01:37:10,140
nuclear weapons are stored yeah so

2239
01:37:15,380 --> 01:37:11,940
admittedly I mean you know Chris O'Brien

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01:37:18,410 --> 01:37:15,390
is basically drove it around you know 16

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01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:18,420
or 15 years later at an Air Force Base

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01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:21,090
where you know nearby they have weapons

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01:37:24,650 --> 01:37:22,410
storage and then there was this

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01:37:28,190 --> 01:37:24,660
experiment that was blinding Soviet

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01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:28,200
satellites so I mean to me that sounds

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01:37:33,290 --> 01:37:30,570
paradoxical I mean even within a 16 year

2247
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:33,300
time period it sounds like to me then if

2248
01:37:37,190 --> 01:37:35,130
Richard Olli was saying was true then

2249
01:37:39,740 --> 01:37:37,200
they removed their assets or maybe the

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assets were never there or something's

2251
01:37:48,740 --> 01:37:44,970
not quite right that's where I ended I

2252
01:37:51,850 --> 01:37:48,750
think all right so let's go to you

2253
01:37:54,530 --> 01:37:51,860
Michael go ahead yeah so Chris did you

2254
01:37:56,750 --> 01:37:54,540
so my last comment regarding the air

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01:37:59,060 --> 01:37:56,760
force base you know you've got you were

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01:38:02,150 --> 01:37:59,070
drove around I mean that's 16 year time

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01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:02,160
period I mean how I mean my thinking is

2258
01:38:07,580 --> 01:38:04,530
that the assets were moved or maybe the

2259
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:07,590
story is not quite worse about the

2260
01:38:12,710 --> 01:38:09,930
Soviet spy satellites and all of the

2261
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:12,720
experiments by the NSA and all of that

2262
01:38:18,770 --> 01:38:15,090
maybe just kind of stuff that's tacked

2263
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,780
on to what maybe was a little bit more

2264
01:38:24,220 --> 01:38:20,880
prosaic than your standard paranormal

2265
01:38:27,650 --> 01:38:24,230
encounter what do you think about that

2266
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:27,660
as mm yeah I was an erect Inuk question

2267
01:38:35,380 --> 01:38:29,610
toward Chris all right yet can you hear

2268
01:38:37,580 --> 01:38:35,390
me yes okay wait I think number one that

2269
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:37,590
obviously there was something to the

2270
01:38:44,540 --> 01:38:41,610
whole bennewitz scenario I do think it

2271
01:38:46,850 --> 01:38:44,550
was a real event I I think the the basic

2272
01:38:49,340 --> 01:38:46,860
facts about the case are correct I think

2273
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:49,350
it was a patriotic American who felt he

2274
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:52,770
stumbled on something highly unusual and

2275
01:38:59,180 --> 01:38:55,530
important and did make some sort of

2276
01:39:00,620 --> 01:38:59,190
report to the government and I think Air

2277
01:39:03,620 --> 01:39:00,630
Force Office of Special Investigations

2278
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:03,630
did respond and there was an ensuing

2279
01:39:06,770 --> 01:39:05,040
investigation I think that's where

2280
01:39:08,420 --> 01:39:06,780
things get a little bit murkier

2281
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:08,430
obviously but I do you think the

2282
01:39:13,550 --> 01:39:11,489
underpinnings of the event and you know

2283
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:13,560
the basic building blocks of the story

2284
01:39:22,010 --> 01:39:19,530
are correct so other than that I think

2285
01:39:25,870 --> 01:39:22,020
we are looking at something that really

2286
01:39:30,860 --> 01:39:25,880
can't be ascertained definitively I

2287
01:39:33,290 --> 01:39:30,870
think Greg did a great job combined with

2288
01:39:36,830 --> 01:39:33,300
the knowledge of Ron Regehr who was

2289
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:36,840
actually in contact with with Paul

2290
01:39:43,820 --> 01:39:42,090
before he made his report to BF OSI and

2291
01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:43,830
who knew him and has quite a bit of

2292
01:39:51,340 --> 01:39:48,450
actual he's got quite a file of letters

2293
01:39:55,729 --> 01:39:51,350
sketches that bennewitz provided him

2294
01:39:58,640 --> 01:39:55,739
early on I can hear pages turning well

2295
01:40:01,580 --> 01:39:58,650
well that would be I mean yeah I mean

2296
01:40:03,950 --> 01:40:01,590
I've got my my whole library here so if

2297
01:40:06,170 --> 01:40:03,960
your pages turning I'm sorry

2298
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:06,180
well one can always hope with some of

2299
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:08,250
the books you have there are real page

2300
01:40:13,340 --> 01:40:10,650
turners or maybe we'll get you in the

2301
01:40:14,690 --> 01:40:13,350
habit of using strictly ebooks if you

2302
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:14,700
use ebooks you don't have to worry about

2303
01:40:19,940 --> 01:40:16,890
page turners because there'll be no

2304
01:40:22,490 --> 01:40:19,950
pages to turn except virtually does that

2305
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:22,500
make any sense well I don't know when

2306
01:40:24,860 --> 01:40:24,239
you're involved in the UFO field for so

2307
01:40:29,290 --> 01:40:24,870
many years

2308
01:40:32,209 --> 01:40:29,300
you wonder what makes sense I you know

2309
01:40:34,700 --> 01:40:32,219
admittedly there's a lot in this subject

2310
01:40:35,629 --> 01:40:34,710
that's just I mean there's a lot to dig

2311
01:40:38,419 --> 01:40:35,639
into

2312
01:40:41,149 --> 01:40:38,429
you know I you know for the listeners

2313
01:40:42,889 --> 01:40:41,159
I'm not here to make any I'm not here to

2314
01:40:45,290 --> 01:40:42,899
make any definitive claims about

2315
01:40:47,689 --> 01:40:45,300
anything you know for me it's just about

2316
01:40:50,029 --> 01:40:47,699
getting questions out on the table that

2317
01:40:51,649 --> 01:40:50,039
maybe I haven't heard discussed that I

2318
01:40:53,839 --> 01:40:51,659
think should be discussed and I think

2319
01:40:56,659 --> 01:40:53,849
that's part of the reason why you know

2320
01:40:58,549 --> 01:40:56,669
why I you know and sometimes I get a

2321
01:41:01,549 --> 01:40:58,559
little strident with my commentary in

2322
01:41:04,129 --> 01:41:01,559
the forums and if I do I apologize well

2323
01:41:06,020 --> 01:41:04,139
you see if striking is the middle name

2324
01:41:12,259 --> 01:41:06,030
of the forum's called the official power

2325
01:41:13,790 --> 01:41:12,269
cache strident forums yes so I mean the

2326
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:13,800
reason why you heard pages is because

2327
01:41:17,750 --> 01:41:15,360
I'm trying to go back and look and

2328
01:41:20,359 --> 01:41:17,760
actually look at some of this stuff that

2329
01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:20,369
was that was happening kind of piece

2330
01:41:25,219 --> 01:41:22,110
things together I will say that I've

2331
01:41:27,709 --> 01:41:25,229
read your um Clarke's account and I've

2332
01:41:31,729 --> 01:41:27,719
read a few others but you know other

2333
01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:31,739
than that I guess I felt like I had at

2334
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:34,169
least from the macro level looking at

2335
01:41:39,259 --> 01:41:36,449
the events that were going on or that

2336
01:41:42,770 --> 01:41:39,269
we're allegedly going on from the macro

2337
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:42,780
level it didn't sort of fit together and

2338
01:41:47,870 --> 01:41:45,570
and I know you know from a hindsight

2339
01:41:50,750 --> 01:41:47,880
20/20 it's very easy to go back and look

2340
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:50,760
at something that doesn't make sense and

2341
01:41:55,639 --> 01:41:52,800
you know whereas some people may see an

2342
01:41:58,819 --> 01:41:55,649
anomaly that happened to Paul bennewitz

2343
01:42:02,149 --> 01:41:58,829
I see an anomaly in the national

2344
01:42:03,859 --> 01:42:02,159
security state and dysfunctional just

2345
01:42:06,649 --> 01:42:03,869
not functioning in the way it should

2346
01:42:09,259 --> 01:42:06,659
well that's my point yeah the very fact

2347
01:42:12,649 --> 01:42:09,269
that I was able to be you know it's kind

2348
01:42:17,299 --> 01:42:12,659
of gently kidnapped and taken out into a

2349
01:42:18,949 --> 01:42:17,309
highly secured area after something like

2350
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:18,959
the bennewitz case had occurred and been

2351
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:23,119
investigated and had been reacted to by

2352
01:42:31,419 --> 01:42:26,880
the security apparatus of the base and

2353
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:31,429
then in the lab I would think it just

2354
01:42:36,459 --> 01:42:34,530
it's just something is very head

2355
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:36,469
scratching about the whole thing I'm

2356
01:42:41,419 --> 01:42:39,360
really not sure what to make of it and

2357
01:42:45,379 --> 01:42:41,429
and what you know we've heard a lot

2358
01:42:47,029 --> 01:42:45,389
about the audio portion of bennewitz his

2359
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:47,039
case but what about the the intriguing

2360
01:42:51,790 --> 01:42:49,050
photographs that

2361
01:42:54,290 --> 01:42:51,800
he took what what were those

2362
01:42:56,450 --> 01:42:54,300
multicolored objects that he was seeing

2363
01:42:58,700 --> 01:42:56,460
out near the entrance to Coyote Canyon

2364
01:43:01,670 --> 01:42:58,710
which is how you access the underground

2365
01:43:02,710 --> 01:43:01,680
facility the nuclear storage facility in

2366
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:02,720
the Manzano mountains

2367
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:08,010
what were those objects are those like

2368
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:12,810
out in these the only full-color

2369
01:43:18,890 --> 01:43:16,080
photographs that I've seen are in Chris

2370
01:43:21,260 --> 01:43:18,900
Lam brights book X descending which

2371
01:43:24,410 --> 01:43:21,270
covers which I think is the first place

2372
01:43:26,450 --> 01:43:24,420
that I know of that the photographs have

2373
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:26,460
been actually you know full-color

2374
01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:28,410
photographs and they're extremely high

2375
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:31,670
res to him I might add have been

2376
01:43:37,190 --> 01:43:35,280
published Randal gene are you familiar

2377
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:37,200
with the photographs have you seen them

2378
01:43:43,940 --> 01:43:40,400
anywhere else I'm not I really haven't

2379
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:43,950
dealt into that case as much as as other

2380
01:43:48,050 --> 01:43:45,690
ones it's something I should probably do

2381
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:48,060
sometime but I just haven't done it I

2382
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:50,480
mean I've heard about the benefits case

2383
01:43:57,620 --> 01:43:54,050
peripherally I've watched a few videos

2384
01:44:00,280 --> 01:43:57,630
you know but not enough to say I was an

2385
01:44:07,420 --> 01:44:00,290
expert on it like you know Curtis is on

2386
01:44:10,940 --> 01:44:07,430
the whole cash Landrum right yeah yeah

2387
01:44:13,970 --> 01:44:10,950
so was there any other I mean were there

2388
01:44:16,670 --> 01:44:13,980
any other things that I mean when I

2389
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:16,680
listen to this show I obviously I know I

2390
01:44:21,230 --> 01:44:18,960
don't want my myopic view of the SH of

2391
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:21,240
the show with Dodie to be kind of

2392
01:44:26,540 --> 01:44:23,730
driving this but whether anything else

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01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:26,550
that you guys found to be you know odd

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01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:29,730
or weird about that you know some of the

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01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:31,770
claims that were made okay ladies and

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01:44:34,910 --> 01:44:33,210
gentlemen in case you've been wondering

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01:44:36,440 --> 01:44:34,920
what the heck is happening here my left

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01:44:38,660 --> 01:44:36,450
ear is Clark no that's not the problem

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01:44:41,420 --> 01:44:38,670
problem is that we are trying to make

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01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:41,430
sense if there is any sense to be made

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01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:43,890
of the appearance last week on the power

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cast of Rick Doty one of our most

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popular shows ever they're talking about

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everywhere and everywher is talking

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about everywhere to in fact I wouldn't

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01:44:58,520 --> 01:44:55,920
be surprised if they were talking about

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01:45:00,780 --> 01:44:58,530
it over on Planet servo certainly that

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would be a pretty apt

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situation would it not talking about

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anything on point circle by the way

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coming up next week we hope to have Paul

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01:45:12,510 --> 01:45:10,120
Kimball and Stanton Friedman Stan is

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01:45:15,420 --> 01:45:12,520
retiring from UFO research so this would

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be kind of a retrospective episode got

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more to come with Michael Randle Jean

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[Music]

2465
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:49,700
welcome back to the para cast the gold

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01:48:02,900 --> 01:47:54,050
standard of paranormal radio and now

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01:48:06,020 --> 01:48:02,910
here's Jane Steinberg we have Michael

2468
01:48:08,030 --> 01:48:06,030
Allen one of our loyal listeners until

2469
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:08,040
this episode is over in which case he'll

2470
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:10,530
then be posting stuff on Facebook where

2471
01:48:15,890 --> 01:48:12,930
he hates us completely and I have one of

2472
01:48:18,410 --> 01:48:15,900
our frequent guest co-host J Randall

2473
01:48:20,780 --> 01:48:18,420
Murphy we have Jean and Chris and we're

2474
01:48:23,660 --> 01:48:20,790
trying to sort out the state of the

2475
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:23,670
world and then some Chris wants to pick

2476
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:25,920
up on it so I can follow the crisis here

2477
01:48:30,260 --> 01:48:28,170
okay good luck with crisis management

2478
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:30,270
there Jean Randall we haven't really

2479
01:48:35,150 --> 01:48:32,850
heard much from you this whole segment

2480
01:48:38,300 --> 01:48:35,160
you've been kind of sitting back I could

2481
01:48:40,010 --> 01:48:38,310
see stroking your chin Gordon hmm where

2482
01:48:41,660 --> 01:48:40,020
do you come down on this do you think

2483
01:48:43,780 --> 01:48:41,670
it's an important in case you think

2484
01:48:47,170 --> 01:48:43,790
we've actually learned anything about

2485
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:47,180
the government's counterespionage

2486
01:48:56,030 --> 01:48:51,840
process in terms of utha logically based

2487
01:48:57,980 --> 01:48:56,040
or tinged subjects cases events claims

2488
01:49:01,280 --> 01:48:57,990
that sort of thing do you think it's

2489
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:01,290
giving us a window into the thinking and

2490
01:49:11,780 --> 01:49:07,410
procedures and I guess tactics and lists

2491
01:49:14,500 --> 01:49:11,790
of reactionary sort of methodology that

2492
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:14,510
Air Force intelligence and possibly

2493
01:49:20,450 --> 01:49:16,400
government counterintelligence

2494
01:49:22,100 --> 01:49:20,460
operatives use in cases of this sort do

2495
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:22,110
we know anything new and different what

2496
01:49:26,510 --> 01:49:24,960
do you think well we know that he was

2497
01:49:28,190 --> 01:49:26,520
trained in counterintelligence that

2498
01:49:32,090 --> 01:49:28,200
seems reasonable enough to believe and

2499
01:49:35,180 --> 01:49:32,100
if we believe that then we can say well

2500
01:49:39,530 --> 01:49:35,190
disinformation is a mixture of fact and

2501
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:39,540
fiction so what we're getting is I have

2502
01:49:42,500 --> 01:49:40,890
a mixture of fact and fiction that's

2503
01:49:44,450 --> 01:49:42,510
exactly what I heard we know that

2504
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:44,460
certain things happened but then there

2505
01:49:51,110 --> 01:49:47,280
seems to be certain things added on to

2506
01:49:55,070 --> 01:49:51,120
it or perhaps embellished to some degree

2507
01:49:56,810 --> 01:49:55,080
or left out or left out and but the

2508
01:49:58,700 --> 01:49:56,820
interview itself I think the most

2509
01:50:01,400 --> 01:49:58,710
important thing about it

2510
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:01,410
its contribution to youthful lore in

2511
01:50:06,500 --> 01:50:04,650
general in the sense of ufology as a

2512
01:50:08,990 --> 01:50:06,510
field we have a very interesting

2513
01:50:10,910 --> 01:50:09,000
character with a very interesting past

2514
01:50:14,690 --> 01:50:10,920
regardless of whether it's true or false

2515
01:50:17,570 --> 01:50:14,700
the various stories and claims that are

2516
01:50:20,150 --> 01:50:17,580
made are fascinating in and of

2517
01:50:22,820 --> 01:50:20,160
themselves whether they're true or false

2518
01:50:25,790 --> 01:50:22,830
or not the colorfulness of him as a

2519
01:50:27,740 --> 01:50:25,800
character in the ufology landscape is

2520
01:50:29,330 --> 01:50:27,750
very interesting and that's what I

2521
01:50:32,210 --> 01:50:29,340
enjoyed most about the show and

2522
01:50:34,010 --> 01:50:32,220
listening to the show when you say that

2523
01:50:36,050 --> 01:50:34,020
it's a mixture of fact and fiction and I

2524
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:36,060
and I'm in agreement with that I think

2525
01:50:39,740 --> 01:50:37,530
we're I think I'm on the same page I

2526
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:39,750
gotta go back and I look at the from a

2527
01:50:43,670 --> 01:50:41,130
point of view of the three different

2528
01:50:45,590 --> 01:50:43,680
types of speech acts and this is just a

2529
01:50:47,930 --> 01:50:45,600
micro level this is one human being to

2530
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:47,940
another you can think of it at a greater

2531
01:50:52,220 --> 01:50:49,920
level the more macro level as an

2532
01:50:54,590 --> 01:50:52,230
organisation to another human being or

2533
01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:54,600
to a group of but you have you know a

2534
01:50:58,730 --> 01:50:56,970
speech act is that's where it's the

2535
01:51:00,500 --> 01:50:58,740
meaning of what you're saying is the

2536
01:51:03,620 --> 01:51:00,510
actual meaning and there's nothing else

2537
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:03,630
colouring it there's no underlying tone

2538
01:51:07,700 --> 01:51:05,040
there's nothing and then there's the

2539
01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:07,710
illocutionary where you're trying to say

2540
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:10,320
something to to give somebody like an

2541
01:51:13,460 --> 01:51:12,000
effect you're trying to convince them or

2542
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:13,470
persuade them I think that's the third

2543
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:16,530
category which is where you persuade or

2544
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:18,810
you try to convince but it's what you're

2545
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:20,970
saying is not really meant what you

2546
01:51:24,860 --> 01:51:22,560
meant in other words what showed an

2547
01:51:29,810 --> 01:51:24,870
inference you're inferring something

2548
01:51:34,030 --> 01:51:29,820
plenty of sort of as a as an aside sort

2549
01:51:36,740 --> 01:51:34,040
of a subliminal prompter a subliminal

2550
01:51:38,660 --> 01:51:36,750
ammunition to infer something that's

2551
01:51:41,090 --> 01:51:38,670
unspoken and that may be the other one

2552
01:51:43,220 --> 01:51:41,100
but more precisely I'm saying something

2553
01:51:46,130 --> 01:51:43,230
because when I say it to you I know what

2554
01:51:48,350 --> 01:51:46,140
effect it's going to have on you and you

2555
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:48,360
can expand that notion to the concept of

2556
01:51:53,060 --> 01:51:51,210
groups and I and I think that that when

2557
01:51:55,970 --> 01:51:53,070
you look at these three types of acts

2558
01:51:58,670 --> 01:51:55,980
and you look at what's going on and I

2559
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:58,680
have to go back to saying well okay what

2560
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:01,440
was the intended outcome what happened

2561
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:03,210
and I think Randall you've pointed out

2562
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:05,970
hey you know shut him up it got rid of

2563
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:09,360
it and the question I ask is is that

2564
01:52:12,919 --> 01:52:10,050
really true

2565
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:12,929
did that really shut them up I mean

2566
01:52:20,029 --> 01:52:16,050
was that really the intended act of the

2567
01:52:22,219 --> 01:52:20,039
intervention that the FOS I went you

2568
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:22,229
know on how they involve themselves was

2569
01:52:27,020 --> 01:52:24,690
that really the outcome I just don't

2570
01:52:29,209 --> 01:52:27,030
know that that is again what I think not

2571
01:52:32,959 --> 01:52:29,219
only not only did they succeed in their

2572
01:52:36,109 --> 01:52:32,969
particular agenda and the scope and

2573
01:52:38,209 --> 01:52:36,119
goals of their agenda but I think that

2574
01:52:41,689 --> 01:52:38,219
they want went one step beyond and

2575
01:52:44,180 --> 01:52:41,699
started having fun with it they kind of

2576
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:44,190
built the process I think they could

2577
01:52:49,759 --> 01:52:46,530
have wrapped up the kind of intelligence

2578
01:52:51,709 --> 01:52:49,769
project a lot quicker than they did but

2579
01:52:54,589 --> 01:52:51,719
they played around with it they they had

2580
01:52:57,469 --> 01:52:54,599
fun with it and then with the if you can

2581
01:53:00,949 --> 01:52:57,479
believe that at face value the injection

2582
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:00,959
of other agency interest according yeah

2583
01:53:06,609 --> 01:53:04,320
to do the essay was interested then

2584
01:53:11,180 --> 01:53:06,619
perhaps then it became even more

2585
01:53:13,310 --> 01:53:11,190
extended and more played out with some

2586
01:53:15,529 --> 01:53:13,320
sort of point counterpoint sort of spy

2587
01:53:18,290 --> 01:53:15,539
versus spy type scenario out of Mad

2588
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:18,300
Magazine which the unintended

2589
01:53:23,060 --> 01:53:21,360
consequences may have then sort of

2590
01:53:26,239 --> 01:53:23,070
morphed into the whole Dulce base

2591
01:53:28,370 --> 01:53:26,249
scenario I mean you could go down the

2592
01:53:30,049 --> 01:53:28,380
list of the unintended consequences that

2593
01:53:32,930 --> 01:53:30,059
may have then ensued from that

2594
01:53:34,850 --> 01:53:32,940
particular milk in the cow sort of

2595
01:53:37,660 --> 01:53:34,860
scenario and that's the impression that

2596
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:37,670
I've always add I think Dodi's

2597
01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:42,239
appearance on the show in my mind gave a

2598
01:53:48,319 --> 01:53:45,209
little ammunition to that that perhaps

2599
01:53:50,270 --> 01:53:48,329
they felt once that they really

2600
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:50,280
determined that he wasn't a security

2601
01:53:54,859 --> 01:53:52,530
risk that we weren't dealing with

2602
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:54,869
something that had to do with Soviet

2603
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:57,360
counter espionage that it wasn't

2604
01:54:02,479 --> 01:53:59,760
something that was you know of a real

2605
01:54:04,489 --> 01:54:02,489
serious national security interest they

2606
01:54:07,279 --> 01:54:04,499
just started having fun with it much to

2607
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:07,289
the chagrin of the bennewitz family

2608
01:54:10,759 --> 01:54:09,090
almost say well and that's the problem

2609
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:10,769
that I you know one of the things that I

2610
01:54:15,020 --> 01:54:13,170
look at and I see again going back to

2611
01:54:17,089 --> 01:54:15,030
nineteen eighty sounding like a broken

2612
01:54:20,419 --> 01:54:17,099
record again but we're looking at some

2613
01:54:24,109 --> 01:54:20,429
severe assets involved if we are to take

2614
01:54:25,649 --> 01:54:24,119
dodi at his word and I am of the opinion

2615
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:25,659
that when

2616
01:54:30,929 --> 01:54:28,570
you want to find the right answer to a

2617
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:30,939
problem on the internet you post the

2618
01:54:35,429 --> 01:54:33,280
wrong answer in other words this is what

2619
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:35,439
I mean exercising in is what is called

2620
01:54:41,009 --> 01:54:38,169
reduction ad absurdum it's essentially

2621
01:54:43,709 --> 01:54:41,019
I'm going to take everything that was

2622
01:54:46,109 --> 01:54:43,719
stated as if it were fact and I'm going

2623
01:54:49,140 --> 01:54:46,119
to show well okay well here are the

2624
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:49,150
implications if we do that and we look

2625
01:54:53,100 --> 01:54:51,280
at this case and we start to see it and

2626
01:54:55,979 --> 01:54:53,110
that's when the paradoxes start to

2627
01:54:58,319 --> 01:54:55,989
emerge then what happens a person who

2628
01:55:00,390 --> 01:54:58,329
works in in counterintelligence is

2629
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:00,400
probably going to start yelling choking

2630
01:55:05,580 --> 01:55:03,010
up interrupting and getting mad and

2631
01:55:07,439 --> 01:55:05,590
frustrated I won't say that from my

2632
01:55:09,029 --> 01:55:07,449
point of view it's real easy to look at

2633
01:55:12,689 --> 01:55:09,039
somebody I know you guys have been I

2634
01:55:14,939 --> 01:55:12,699
know unjustly criticized for whatever oh

2635
01:55:16,679 --> 01:55:14,949
you were being rude to this guest or

2636
01:55:18,479 --> 01:55:16,689
that guest but I can tell when

2637
01:55:20,549 --> 01:55:18,489
somebody's getting upset about something

2638
01:55:23,790 --> 01:55:20,559
and when somebody's hit you're hitting

2639
01:55:25,770 --> 01:55:23,800
somebody in a soft spot you know when

2640
01:55:27,899 --> 01:55:25,780
you've uncovered something and that's

2641
01:55:30,029 --> 01:55:27,909
kind of what I heard in the it's toward

2642
01:55:31,649 --> 01:55:30,039
the end I mean you know he came out it's

2643
01:55:33,509 --> 01:55:31,659
like I want to clear the air and I want

2644
01:55:35,129 --> 01:55:33,519
to make I want to make sense I'm gonna

2645
01:55:37,049 --> 01:55:35,139
explain to you what actually happened

2646
01:55:39,390 --> 01:55:37,059
you know because nobody else got right

2647
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:39,400
except for Kevin hasty well I thought

2648
01:55:42,299 --> 01:55:41,110
that was by the way that was a very

2649
01:55:44,580 --> 01:55:42,309
interesting comment

2650
01:55:46,529 --> 01:55:44,590
you know UFOs in newts that's really

2651
01:55:48,270 --> 01:55:46,539
really amazing you know what everybody

2652
01:55:51,509 --> 01:55:48,280
else thinks it's amazing I think it's

2653
01:55:53,759 --> 01:55:51,519
amazing two UFOs in News I think Saudis

2654
01:55:55,949 --> 01:55:53,769
problem with UFOs and nukes is not the

2655
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book who said we liked it's Robert

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Hastings you know Robert Hastings can be

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kind of a crotchety kind of guy and the

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reason I say that is because he will

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never come back to the power cast and I

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think at one point he was involved in

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some kind of conflict with someone and

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that person was egging him on in the

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forums or something so he's pretty much

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given up on us

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ego for his retirement where did he

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moved to retire San Luis Valley well

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there you go you've got another person

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you can go and go mount something on the

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pole we'll get a gamma-ray burst

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detector up there I've already talked to

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him but unfortunately he doesn't have

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the robust internet connection that we

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would need well yeah yeah that's the

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limit you know you were talking about

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some like t2 connection

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like in one of the last episodes you

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like yeah we got a deep connection out

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there it's the first camera slated to go

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up on the tower of one of the isp

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operators amigo net there in the valley

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in one of his towers is going to be in

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month north of want Monta Vista will be

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where the the first camera is going to

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be mounted and that does have a fiber

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optic connection going back to the

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original thing that I was talking about

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with the assets involved in the airforce

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operation of Special Investigations

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their goal and a spoiler alert I guess

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what I'm saying is that in the end I

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thought well if I was to actually want

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y'all and talk with you about this um

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for coming on what's that you owe us the

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come to your home and scream at you wait

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what's a check you know I wonder anymore

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because we live in a society that's so

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cashless you know you say can I pay with

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cash and I look at you it's gonna hold

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you know imaginary money out of one bank

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and put it into another Bank

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okay ran for this peak of Technology a

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Bank of America analyst says Apple plans

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to launch a foldable iPhone by 2020 oh

2827
02:02:53,980 --> 02:02:51,530
I've heard about you know like

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interactive screens that are flexible

2829
02:02:58,000 --> 02:02:56,060
I think what Samsung was working on

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something like that well they have OLED

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screens that can be folded up Wow you

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have a billfold and you've had place to

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put your credit cards and then you open

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it up and there's your iPhone easier to

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lose now you'll drop it with your credit

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card or somebody will come along and

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scan it with an RFID to think if you

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can't do that with an iPhone the

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security on iPhone is amazing that's one

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thing let's progress into the world of

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the amazing paranormal world of Rick

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Doty at the end of the day because we're

2843
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running out of time here and you have to

2844
02:03:38,410 --> 02:03:35,480
run soon at the end of the day how much

2845
02:03:47,550 --> 02:03:38,420
of what he said on the para cast can you

2846
02:03:50,110 --> 02:03:47,560
Michael Allen believe geez that's a very

2847
02:03:52,090 --> 02:03:50,120
very very difficult question to answer

2848
02:03:54,520 --> 02:03:52,100
because I'm still in the middle of

2849
02:03:56,170 --> 02:03:54,530
analyzing it right now I'm just going to

2850
02:03:58,240 --> 02:03:56,180
accept the whole thing as being gospel

2851
02:04:01,450 --> 02:03:58,250
truth according to what he thinks and

2852
02:04:03,070 --> 02:04:01,460
then I'm going to work out the logical

2853
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:03,080
the things that corroborate and that

2854
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:05,090
makes sense and try to weed out the

2855
02:04:09,370 --> 02:04:07,280
signal in the noise and by the way I

2856
02:04:12,550 --> 02:04:09,380
think that's the biggest task of all and

2857
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:12,560
I wonder if that's the intention so you

2858
02:04:15,940 --> 02:04:14,570
know each time he comes on you've got

2859
02:04:18,220 --> 02:04:15,950
all you know you you'll have a lot of

2860
02:04:20,950 --> 02:04:18,230
people like me and a lot of analysts who

2861
02:04:24,220 --> 02:04:20,960
pour over the the statements made and

2862
02:04:27,400 --> 02:04:24,230
try to correlate or corroborate it but I

2863
02:04:29,350 --> 02:04:27,410
would say probably 80% of it is bunk if

2864
02:04:30,970 --> 02:04:29,360
you were to put me you know put my feet

2865
02:04:32,590 --> 02:04:30,980
to the fire so to speak I would say

2866
02:04:35,320 --> 02:04:32,600
about 80% of it and I'm not even sure

2867
02:04:38,020 --> 02:04:35,330
about the remaining 20% if it's

2868
02:04:39,970 --> 02:04:38,030
something that would even would

2869
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:39,980
necessarily fall into the bucket of what

2870
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:41,810
people would consider to be paranormal

2871
02:04:51,130 --> 02:04:47,930
I wonder which 80% oh yeah again holding

2872
02:04:53,710 --> 02:04:51,140
my feet to the fire the statements made

2873
02:04:57,460 --> 02:04:53,720
about the protection and the

2874
02:05:00,820 --> 02:04:57,470
counterintelligence around assets at a

2875
02:05:03,340 --> 02:05:00,830
base I just don't I don't think that

2876
02:05:06,610 --> 02:05:03,350
that makes any sense I think a lot of

2877
02:05:10,210 --> 02:05:06,620
that is seems to be embellished or just

2878
02:05:13,690 --> 02:05:10,220
you know created you know stuff that's

2879
02:05:15,460 --> 02:05:13,700
that's come out that people have already

2880
02:05:17,830 --> 02:05:15,470
read about he referenced a lot of things

2881
02:05:20,380 --> 02:05:17,840
that for the most part were open source

2882
02:05:21,850 --> 02:05:20,390
materials I mean the he C used the term

2883
02:05:28,720 --> 02:05:21,860
open source' Auggie's it turned open

2884
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:28,730
source okay Mir Mir Michael because I

2885
02:05:33,580 --> 02:05:31,610
was trying to interrupt and totally

2886
02:05:37,060 --> 02:05:33,590
disagree with what he was saying well

2887
02:05:41,050 --> 02:05:37,070
that's good Chris continue because I did

2888
02:05:43,810 --> 02:05:41,060
I need to hear what okay well I need to

2889
02:05:46,570 --> 02:05:43,820
hear you know we need some sort of segue

2890
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:46,580
Jean can you rewind a little bit and

2891
02:05:51,130 --> 02:05:49,280
it's kind of like I found it all on the

2892
02:05:52,900 --> 02:05:51,140
Internet we had a guest like that one

2893
02:05:54,970 --> 02:05:52,910
time remember Chris we had somebody we

2894
02:05:55,990 --> 02:05:54,980
talked to him and he said oh I found it

2895
02:06:01,600 --> 02:05:56,000
all on the Internet

2896
02:06:05,710 --> 02:06:01,610
I found it on the Internet well you know

2897
02:06:08,530 --> 02:06:05,720
Michael you know with respect I I did

2898
02:06:11,650 --> 02:06:08,540
disagree I think any counterintelligence

2899
02:06:14,170 --> 02:06:11,660
agent someone who's involved in the

2900
02:06:15,310 --> 02:06:14,180
dissemination of this information is

2901
02:06:19,209 --> 02:06:15,320
going to wrap the

2902
02:06:22,479 --> 02:06:19,219
truth around lies of course but you have

2903
02:06:25,050 --> 02:06:22,489
to have a lot of truth so you know I

2904
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:25,060
would say that the if you wanted to

2905
02:06:30,580 --> 02:06:28,010
break it up into percentages so I would

2906
02:06:35,290 --> 02:06:30,590
say 60 70 % of what he was saying was

2907
02:06:37,540 --> 02:06:35,300
true and 25 30 40 maybe 40% of what he

2908
02:06:40,569 --> 02:06:37,550
was saying was this information was not

2909
02:06:43,899 --> 02:06:40,579
true some of the things that I didn't

2910
02:06:46,330 --> 02:06:43,909
really I didn't even it never even

2911
02:06:49,780 --> 02:06:46,340
entered my mind to take seriously was

2912
02:06:52,419 --> 02:06:49,790
his whole idea of a survivor at Roswell

2913
02:06:57,220 --> 02:06:52,429
being taken Los Alamos / friending his

2914
02:06:59,290 --> 02:06:57,230
abduct doors and phoning home and the

2915
02:07:01,660 --> 02:06:59,300
alien rescue party came and were given

2916
02:07:03,879 --> 02:07:01,670
the wrong coordinates and they were they

2917
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:03,889
were the cause of the Socorro incident I

2918
02:07:10,839 --> 02:07:07,520
mean if anybody believes that then jean

2919
02:07:12,430 --> 02:07:10,849
has a bridge that goes from Brooklyn to

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lower Manhattan that he would like to

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sell you some other things did I know

2922
02:07:23,290 --> 02:07:19,969
where well no it's a bridge to Brooklyn

2923
02:07:25,780 --> 02:07:23,300
but when you go on that you think you've

2924
02:07:27,970 --> 02:07:25,790
gone to nowhere well or it could be the

2925
02:07:31,240 --> 02:07:27,980
Triborough bridge to Queens or maybe the

2926
02:07:33,700 --> 02:07:31,250
white stone anyway well here's a

2927
02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:33,710
question maybe for both you guys and

2928
02:07:40,089 --> 02:07:37,040
like or and our audience okay so if it's

2929
02:07:41,859 --> 02:07:40,099
disinformation and his original intent

2930
02:07:44,319 --> 02:07:41,869
in becoming involved in all this in the

2931
02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:44,329
first place was to dis inform the

2932
02:07:51,220 --> 02:07:48,530
ufology community about UFOs then it

2933
02:07:52,750 --> 02:07:51,230
seems counterintuitive to be telling

2934
02:07:55,450 --> 02:07:52,760
stories that he was briefed into their

2935
02:07:58,300 --> 02:07:55,460
reality of them so it it doesn't seem

2936
02:08:00,220 --> 02:07:58,310
like his purpose is to dissuade the

2937
02:08:05,379 --> 02:08:00,230
public that they exist it's more like

2938
02:08:08,700 --> 02:08:05,389
yes they do exist so what exactly is it

2939
02:08:11,830 --> 02:08:08,710
the disinformation is about protecting

2940
02:08:15,550 --> 02:08:11,840
national secrets or what it's a

2941
02:08:17,649 --> 02:08:15,560
deflection him stating that Roswell was

2942
02:08:20,859 --> 02:08:17,659
actually two crash sites that we

2943
02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:20,869
recovered alien bodies he's dissing

2944
02:08:27,620 --> 02:08:25,130
forming the public by allowing them to

2945
02:08:30,950 --> 02:08:27,630
get more information to

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02:08:33,800 --> 02:08:30,960
for some way shape or form in some way

2947
02:08:37,190 --> 02:08:33,810
shape or form to legitimize in their own

2948
02:08:39,020 --> 02:08:37,200
mind the pop cultural a belief system

2949
02:08:41,150 --> 02:08:39,030
that has grown up around this subject

2950
02:08:44,900 --> 02:08:41,160
that yes there was a crash at Roswell

2951
02:08:48,590 --> 02:08:44,910
yes there were alien bodies basically

2952
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:48,600
supplying in a disinformation form he

2953
02:08:55,670 --> 02:08:51,810
supply and validation to the pop culture

2954
02:08:58,070 --> 02:08:55,680
narrative which is disinformation at its

2955
02:09:00,740 --> 02:08:58,080
heart as far as I'm concerned like

2956
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:00,750
fridge for desensitization of the public

2957
02:09:05,690 --> 02:09:03,360
so that they we can more readily accept

2958
02:09:07,550 --> 02:09:05,700
the reality of yes that's that's that's

2959
02:09:11,930 --> 02:09:07,560
one possible agenda another possible

2960
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agenda is to take anything that may

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shine some sort of light of revelation

2962
02:09:21,200 --> 02:09:18,360
about our or aerial capabilities let's

2963
02:09:24,230 --> 02:09:21,210
say for psychotronic weapons platforms

2964
02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:24,240
aerial platforms for exotic aerial

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02:09:30,230 --> 02:09:28,530
technology anything like that they would

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try to hide and this plausible

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02:09:36,260 --> 02:09:32,760
deniability thing of aliens and ET

2968
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crafts and stuff is a great cover you

2969
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know we saw the CIA try to do this in

2970
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the late 90s saying that well obviously

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every airline pilot that saw UFO and

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their 50s and 60s was what Shinda sr-71

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02:09:54,200 --> 02:09:51,180
blackbird and the u-2 spy plane above

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02:09:57,020 --> 02:09:54,210
them yeah that could account for some

2975
02:10:00,650 --> 02:09:57,030
sightings sure if you're flying at 39

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02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:00,660
forty thousand feet no 707 and you see

2977
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:02,010
something flying above you you're gonna

2978
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:04,400
think that's kind of strange right but

2979
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that doesn't even come close to

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explaining thousands and thousands of

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phenomena

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let's break here we'll have more to come

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this is Robert Hastings author of UFOs

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podcast the gold standard of paranormal

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with Jean Chris Randall Michael Allen a

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new visitor to the show he may have to

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leave soon though let's get all we can

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out of him before he decides he has to

3093
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vacate stage left shall we yeah Mike

3094
02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:19,309
okay so what do you think of that then I

3095
02:15:24,549 --> 02:15:21,770
mean if if there's an agenda here it

3096
02:15:27,819 --> 02:15:24,559
doesn't seem like it's to cover up the

3097
02:15:30,640 --> 02:15:27,829
existence of alien visitation or that

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02:15:34,180 --> 02:15:30,650
they have some kind of exotic technology

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02:15:37,149 --> 02:15:34,190
because he's really dealing both so well

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02:15:39,010 --> 02:15:37,159
yeah and that's the problem you know if

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you were to consider it you know just

3102
02:15:42,879 --> 02:15:40,909
take a look at it from the point of view

3103
02:15:45,250 --> 02:15:42,889
of I'm protecting an asset and that

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asset is the secrecy of a van you know

3105
02:15:49,359 --> 02:15:47,690
American based technology then this is

3106
02:15:51,459 --> 02:15:49,369
the worst possible way to cover it up

3107
02:15:53,859 --> 02:15:51,469
and in other words you're gonna get all

3108
02:15:55,959 --> 02:15:53,869
kinds of people going out and studying

3109
02:15:57,970 --> 02:15:55,969
and looking at it you got a UFO pops I

3110
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:57,980
mean it's 1980 for Christ's sake I mean

3111
02:16:01,779 --> 02:15:59,840
you're gonna have people who are gonna

3112
02:16:03,850 --> 02:16:01,789
go wait there's something going on over

3113
02:16:04,959 --> 02:16:03,860
at Kirkland let's go look at it and if

3114
02:16:06,609 --> 02:16:04,969
you're going to trying to cover up

3115
02:16:09,069 --> 02:16:06,619
covert operations that's the worst

3116
02:16:15,250 --> 02:16:09,079
possible thing you could do now as far

3117
02:16:17,200 --> 02:16:15,260
as the other possibility I know I think

3118
02:16:20,770 --> 02:16:17,210
about it you know is it to try to cover

3119
02:16:23,439 --> 02:16:20,780
up ETH again I think there are a lot of

3120
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:23,449
people that are already convinced and I

3121
02:16:27,479 --> 02:16:24,800
don't know I'm not certain that that's

3122
02:16:30,700 --> 02:16:27,489
really that doesn't make sense as a

3123
02:16:32,769 --> 02:16:30,710
counterintelligence goal although maybe

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02:16:35,889 --> 02:16:32,779
from a point of view of trying to

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discredit the whole field in general and

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get people off the back so you know

3127
02:16:44,740 --> 02:16:42,019
maybe but I just I don't know well well

3128
02:16:47,589 --> 02:16:44,750
he was saying he was saying it that he

3129
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was briefed in a room with a number of

3130
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other people and shown films of the

3131
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Roswell crash yeah he's telling us that

3132
02:16:59,530 --> 02:16:56,000
he's telling us that the OSI had 122

3133
02:17:00,339 --> 02:16:59,540
agents assigned to investigate UFO

3134
02:17:04,359 --> 02:17:00,349
reports

3135
02:17:06,040 --> 02:17:04,369
so if that's the case he's he's

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basically telling us that the government

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knows about this has known about it and

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has actively investigated it for a

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number of years so he's certainly not

3140
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trying to cover up alien visitation with

3141
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oh it was only some sort of technology

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that we had and at the same time he's

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saying well the that they did use the

3144
02:17:29,079 --> 02:17:26,569
idea of UFOs to cover-up technology so

3145
02:17:32,589 --> 02:17:29,089
in neither case are we getting any sort

3146
02:17:34,659 --> 02:17:32,599
of disinformation or what or the third

3147
02:17:37,629 --> 02:17:34,669
or there's another option or deflection

3148
02:17:39,489 --> 02:17:37,639
right that well there's there's also the

3149
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possibility that you know when you'd

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like Walter Bosley said you got to start

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out with a nugget of truth so that

3152
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people will believe you and buy into

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your story buy into your background you

3154
02:17:52,629 --> 02:17:49,609
gotta start with a big nugget I think is

3155
02:17:55,899 --> 02:17:52,639
what he said and you know and so maybe

3156
02:17:59,469 --> 02:17:55,909
the whole point is not is not so much of

3157
02:18:01,239 --> 02:17:59,479
hey I'm revealing this he maybe he the

3158
02:18:03,819 --> 02:18:01,249
fact that he's doing this and I know

3159
02:18:07,179 --> 02:18:03,829
this is a stretch and I'm sorry but it

3160
02:18:08,679 --> 02:18:07,189
sounds like well you know go out here

3161
02:18:10,809 --> 02:18:08,689
I'll pretend to be the colonel you know

3162
02:18:12,549 --> 02:18:10,819
go out there and just say here's a bunch

3163
02:18:14,500 --> 02:18:12,559
of stuff we think is probably true

3164
02:18:17,079 --> 02:18:14,510
here's a bunch of stuff that's hooey and

3165
02:18:18,939 --> 02:18:17,089
everybody else is debunked just go spew

3166
02:18:20,619 --> 02:18:18,949
it out into the public forum and get it

3167
02:18:21,849 --> 02:18:20,629
all out there and people are gonna see

3168
02:18:24,339 --> 02:18:21,859
holes in it and they're gonna gravitate

3169
02:18:26,169 --> 02:18:24,349
away from just field all together now I

3170
02:18:28,899 --> 02:18:26,179
can't for the life of me understand why

3171
02:18:30,909 --> 02:18:28,909
they would do that except to keep people

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02:18:33,879 --> 02:18:30,919
from snooping around Air Force bases and

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02:18:36,009 --> 02:18:33,889
looking at u.s. assets or maybe like in

3174
02:18:38,500 --> 02:18:36,019
the 1950s with the you know conclusion

3175
02:18:40,209 --> 02:18:38,510
of the Robertson panel the CIA panel the

3176
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main concern was to keep people from

3177
02:18:43,479 --> 02:18:41,389
clogged in the channels of communication

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02:18:45,099 --> 02:18:43,489
well we don't have that problem anymore

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because we have many channels of

3180
02:18:49,899 --> 02:18:46,969
communication so there's no worries

3181
02:18:52,239 --> 02:18:49,909
about the Soviet spies coming in and you

3182
02:18:54,399 --> 02:18:52,249
know infiltrating UFO groups and

3183
02:18:56,290 --> 02:18:54,409
creating a ruckus and causing the

3184
02:18:58,809 --> 02:18:56,300
national security state communication

3185
02:19:01,569 --> 02:18:58,819
lines to be clogged with with noise so

3186
02:19:03,519 --> 02:19:01,579
that they could attack so so III really

3187
02:19:06,629 --> 02:19:03,529
think it's an open question Randall I I

3188
02:19:09,159 --> 02:19:06,639
don't claim to have all the answers

3189
02:19:10,659 --> 02:19:09,169
obviously I've picked out I picked out a

3190
02:19:14,009 --> 02:19:10,669
couple of things that just don't make

3191
02:19:15,899 --> 02:19:14,019
sense and you know

3192
02:19:18,500 --> 02:19:15,909
hoping that somehow maybe this will

3193
02:19:21,479 --> 02:19:18,510
start a discussion along that route so I

3194
02:19:24,330 --> 02:19:21,489
wonder though when you mentioned Russian

3195
02:19:26,939 --> 02:19:24,340
spies as such and I'm not of course

3196
02:19:29,969 --> 02:19:26,949
talking about something like that show

3197
02:19:33,240 --> 02:19:29,979
that was on TV I remember how many years

3198
02:19:36,929 --> 02:19:33,250
ago that show called the Americans about

3199
02:19:39,139 --> 02:19:36,939
Soviet spies here in the 1980s where we

3200
02:19:44,669 --> 02:19:39,149
have particularly large amount of

3201
02:19:47,939 --> 02:19:44,679
paranoia and you look at what Dodi was

3202
02:19:51,590 --> 02:19:47,949
doing which related also to possible

3203
02:19:55,590 --> 02:19:51,600
Russian spies and you wonder how much of

3204
02:19:58,260 --> 02:19:55,600
the UFO investigation was really more

3205
02:20:00,120 --> 02:19:58,270
oriented towards the Cold War than

3206
02:20:02,069 --> 02:20:00,130
anything else let's expect to things

3207
02:20:04,679 --> 02:20:02,079
like the Rosetta deception from James

3208
02:20:06,569 --> 02:20:04,689
carrion and he was going to do a Roswell

3209
02:20:08,819 --> 02:20:06,579
deception that never seems to have ever

3210
02:20:11,429 --> 02:20:08,829
appeared and it was about the ghost

3211
02:20:13,979 --> 02:20:11,439
rockets in the world war two beings the

3212
02:20:16,410 --> 02:20:13,989
kind of smokescreen to deal with the

3213
02:20:18,500 --> 02:20:16,420
Russians to spook them and you wonder

3214
02:20:21,630 --> 02:20:18,510
over the years in terms of ufos and

3215
02:20:25,740 --> 02:20:21,640
alleged UFO sightings how much of that

3216
02:20:29,219 --> 02:20:25,750
related to the Cold War and pulling some

3217
02:20:32,099 --> 02:20:29,229
stuff let me let me let me go ahead and

3218
02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:32,109
kind of chime in here I think back in

3219
02:20:36,330 --> 02:20:34,000
the early eighties all through the 80s

3220
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:36,340
into the early 90s I think that that was

3221
02:20:41,370 --> 02:20:39,010
a real major concern by the government

3222
02:20:42,689 --> 02:20:41,380
and I think you know I'm not going to

3223
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:42,699
try to put a percentage of

3224
02:20:47,910 --> 02:20:45,850
counterintelligence activity related to

3225
02:20:49,679 --> 02:20:47,920
counter espionage with the Soviets I'm

3226
02:20:52,109 --> 02:20:49,689
not going to try to put a number on that

3227
02:20:54,990 --> 02:20:52,119
but I would say a sizable percentage of

3228
02:20:58,260 --> 02:20:55,000
operations we're really concerned with

3229
02:21:02,460 --> 02:20:58,270
that I think now that we're post the

3230
02:21:05,250 --> 02:21:02,470
stand Yeltsin and Gorbachev I and the

3231
02:21:07,290 --> 02:21:05,260
the breakdown of the the whole Soviet

3232
02:21:11,819 --> 02:21:07,300
Union into its constituent parts I think

3233
02:21:13,469 --> 02:21:11,829
it's much less important I think maybe

3234
02:21:15,689 --> 02:21:13,479
in the last few years has become a

3235
02:21:18,179 --> 02:21:15,699
little bit it's maybe ratcheted up

3236
02:21:21,569 --> 02:21:18,189
intensity a little bit in the

3237
02:21:25,679 --> 02:21:21,579
boutonnieres but I think for the most

3238
02:21:27,511 --> 02:21:25,689
part what we're seeing with the Benowitz

3239
02:21:29,780 --> 02:21:27,521
case is a class

3240
02:21:32,251 --> 02:21:29,790
example of an Jeannie brought it up

3241
02:21:34,770 --> 02:21:32,261
being worried about what how much the

3242
02:21:36,860 --> 02:21:34,780
Soviets know I'm hardly involved in this

3243
02:21:39,900 --> 02:21:36,870
are they monitoring us monitoring them

3244
02:21:43,110 --> 02:21:39,910
yeah I think all this it makes perfect

3245
02:21:44,761 --> 02:21:43,120
sense to me and when but getting back to

3246
02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:44,771
the whole idea of Dodie in this if I

3247
02:21:50,220 --> 02:21:47,530
don't know who's like like puking on

3248
02:21:52,171 --> 02:21:50,230
themselves could stop okay by the way

3249
02:21:53,911 --> 02:21:52,181
don't say things like that don't say the

3250
02:21:56,131 --> 02:21:53,921
p-word because people are having their

3251
02:21:58,440 --> 02:21:56,141
dinners they're having their lunches

3252
02:22:05,820 --> 02:21:58,450
maybe they're drinking their coffee in

3253
02:22:07,501 --> 02:22:05,830
the car and they're gonna spit it out it

3254
02:22:10,680 --> 02:22:07,511
sounded like that's what was happening

3255
02:22:12,600 --> 02:22:10,690
anyway you know if we're looking at this

3256
02:22:14,850 --> 02:22:12,610
whole thing about how do we determine

3257
02:22:17,400 --> 02:22:14,860
you know where he's being truthful and

3258
02:22:21,261 --> 02:22:17,410
where he's not where is the real

3259
02:22:24,780 --> 02:22:21,271
information where's the disinformation

3260
02:22:27,060 --> 02:22:24,790
anytime he reveals anything about

3261
02:22:29,091 --> 02:22:27,070
manners methods of gathering

3262
02:22:31,831 --> 02:22:29,101
intelligence numbers of operations

3263
02:22:35,310 --> 02:22:31,841
numbers of of agents that's

3264
02:22:38,341 --> 02:22:35,320
disinformation okay he is not allowed to

3265
02:22:39,780 --> 02:22:38,351
talk about how they do things and how

3266
02:22:41,791 --> 02:22:39,790
many people are involved or how many

3267
02:22:45,511 --> 02:22:41,801
projects were involved so when he says

3268
02:22:48,091 --> 02:22:45,521
122 agents I absolutely immediately

3269
02:22:51,091 --> 02:22:48,101
don't believe him good point what's a

3270
02:22:54,381 --> 02:22:51,101
number on it anytime he puts dates on

3271
02:22:57,241 --> 02:22:54,391
something any time he defines anything

3272
02:23:00,320 --> 02:22:57,251
that's disinformation well let's think

3273
02:23:04,261 --> 02:23:00,330
about this Chris they're far far less

3274
02:23:07,530 --> 02:23:04,271
you know extraordinary events that are

3275
02:23:08,911 --> 02:23:07,540
still classified you know and so if you

3276
02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:08,921
were to think about from the point of

3277
02:23:13,051 --> 02:23:11,530
view to classification you know this

3278
02:23:14,881 --> 02:23:13,061
would be one of those things that I

3279
02:23:18,780 --> 02:23:14,891
wouldn't want to talk about because it's

3280
02:23:21,241 --> 02:23:18,790
you know sources and methods even 2530

3281
02:23:23,400 --> 02:23:21,251
years four years after the fact I

3282
02:23:25,831 --> 02:23:23,410
guarantee you we're still thinking of

3283
02:23:28,831 --> 02:23:25,841
ways that we can blind or shut down our

3284
02:23:32,610 --> 02:23:28,841
enemy's assets especially the ones up in

3285
02:23:35,161 --> 02:23:32,620
orbit and so it just seems you know and

3286
02:23:36,810 --> 02:23:35,171
again I'm coming at this from the point

3287
02:23:39,871 --> 02:23:36,820
of view of a person who studies security

3288
02:23:40,801 --> 02:23:39,881
and in trying to protect assets in the

3289
02:23:44,041 --> 02:23:40,811
digital

3290
02:23:46,201 --> 02:23:44,051
so in the human world maybe not so easy

3291
02:23:48,421 --> 02:23:46,211
you know cut and dry I mean even in them

3292
02:23:50,581 --> 02:23:48,431
even in the computer world it's not cut

3293
02:23:54,150 --> 02:23:50,591
and dry it's very difficult it's

3294
02:23:56,131 --> 02:23:54,160
extremely difficult but I just I agree I

3295
02:23:57,900 --> 02:23:56,141
think I agree with you on that with the

3296
02:23:59,611 --> 02:23:57,910
point with the things where he starts

3297
02:24:03,241 --> 02:23:59,621
talking about numbers where you starts

3298
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:03,251
talking about specifics and specific and

3299
02:24:07,411 --> 02:24:05,200
about thing you know protecting the

3300
02:24:09,690 --> 02:24:07,421
nation's nuclear assets I think those

3301
02:24:13,051 --> 02:24:09,700
are things that should make us pause

3302
02:24:16,711 --> 02:24:13,061
let's pause that refreshes here with

3303
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Jean Chris Michael and Randall final

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segment for real this time you're in

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come down to this whatever this is we're

3404
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gonna pursue it over and over again

3405
02:28:59,791 --> 02:28:54,460
until we get it right I interrupted you

3406
02:29:02,400 --> 02:28:59,801
Michael didn't I literally if you give

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02:29:04,080 --> 02:29:02,410
me I've gotta make it to my appointment

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and this is one of those doctors that

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gets mad when you miss appointment so

3410
02:29:10,890 --> 02:29:08,920
I'm totally okay with you interrupting

3411
02:29:13,020 --> 02:29:10,900
me and it's and it's fine I've enjoyed

3412
02:29:14,970 --> 02:29:13,030
this discussion yeah well thanks for

3413
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coming on nobody else was willing to

3414
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pony up and put their mouth where their

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theories and analysis lie so we really

3416
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appreciate you being on and you're

3417
02:29:30,390 --> 02:29:27,221
welcome back anytime will coach you on

3418
02:29:34,261 --> 02:29:30,400
how to possibly well talks about this

3419
02:29:35,910 --> 02:29:34,271
later but yeah a little bit of coaching

3420
02:29:38,580 --> 02:29:35,920
here and there and of course if you have

3421
02:29:41,370 --> 02:29:38,590
any ideas to coach me I'd I'm sure gene

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will help you in spanking me and

3423
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:42,811
whatever I'm doing wrong I enjoy

3424
02:29:47,400 --> 02:29:45,130
spanking Chris all the time the problem

3425
02:29:48,841 --> 02:29:47,410
is he's too far away so I have to do it

3426
02:29:51,001 --> 02:29:48,851
virtually through the screen I've take

3427
02:29:54,751 --> 02:29:51,011
my hand you know and reach into the

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screen grab them by the neck or is that

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really saying open the window and scream

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at the top of your lungs I'm mad as hell

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and I cannot take it anymore called the

3432
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don't slap swear you go up and you knock

3433
02:30:08,251 --> 02:30:06,280
somebody on the back of their head I've

3434
02:30:11,251 --> 02:30:08,261
had that many times that sounds like the

3435
02:30:14,011 --> 02:30:11,261
NCIS dope slap if you see the TV show

3436
02:30:16,470 --> 02:30:14,021
and see is he's always giving somebody a

3437
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slap in the back of the head you know I

3438
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understand now the half the actors left

3439
02:30:23,280 --> 02:30:19,840
the show because they're suffering from

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post-traumatic stress disorder and also

3441
02:30:28,190 --> 02:30:25,750
they had serious mental conditions

3442
02:30:30,570 --> 02:30:28,200
because their brains turn to sawdust

3443
02:30:32,190 --> 02:30:30,580
fact I'm going to start that rumor on

3444
02:30:34,501 --> 02:30:32,200
one of the supermarket tabloids

3445
02:30:35,850 --> 02:30:34,511
everybody from NCI yes the people who

3446
02:30:37,890 --> 02:30:35,860
leave the show the reason they leave

3447
02:30:39,250 --> 02:30:37,900
that show is because they're suffering

3448
02:30:40,569 --> 02:30:39,260
from brain injuries

3449
02:30:44,019 --> 02:30:40,579
because they're being slapped on the

3450
02:30:45,340 --> 02:30:44,029
back of the head Michael I think you're

3451
02:30:46,569 --> 02:30:45,350
about ready to bail out and go to a

3452
02:30:49,469 --> 02:30:46,579
dentist or something and do something

3453
02:30:52,479 --> 02:30:49,479
less painful yeah

3454
02:30:55,359 --> 02:30:52,489
to say the least I'm sorry guys I got it

3455
02:30:57,069 --> 02:30:55,369
run it's been a pleasure I thank you

3456
02:30:58,960 --> 02:30:57,079
very much for having me on the show

3457
02:31:01,569 --> 02:30:58,970
you know I've enjoyed the discussion and

3458
02:31:04,029 --> 02:31:01,579
sticking my neck out and all that kind

3459
02:31:06,279 --> 02:31:04,039
of stuff so we'll see in the forums yeah

3460
02:31:08,859 --> 02:31:06,289
oh yeah absolutely

3461
02:31:11,559 --> 02:31:08,869
we have Randall we have gene we have

3462
02:31:16,420 --> 02:31:11,569
Chris I liked the assessment that

3463
02:31:20,260 --> 02:31:16,430
Michael left here that Dodi's patter was

3464
02:31:24,189 --> 02:31:20,270
about 80% disinformation 20% actual

3465
02:31:27,069 --> 02:31:24,199
information I disagree what is your

3466
02:31:29,649 --> 02:31:27,079
assessment mr. O'Brien I think a lot

3467
02:31:31,660 --> 02:31:29,659
more was on the money simply because we

3468
02:31:34,899 --> 02:31:31,670
know a lot more about the case

3469
02:31:37,389 --> 02:31:34,909
and he can't dis inform us on things

3470
02:31:39,340 --> 02:31:37,399
that are already accepted as being part

3471
02:31:41,620 --> 02:31:39,350
of the public record I think Greg did a

3472
02:31:44,139 --> 02:31:41,630
great job others have done great jobs

3473
02:31:47,830 --> 02:31:44,149
over the years establishing certain

3474
02:31:52,170 --> 02:31:47,840
facts all those facts have to relate to

3475
02:31:55,929 --> 02:31:52,180
a positive percentage you know maybe 60%

3476
02:31:58,300 --> 02:31:55,939
Israel 70% Israel and 30% is not I think

3477
02:32:00,639 --> 02:31:58,310
that's a lot more normally you would

3478
02:32:05,200 --> 02:32:00,649
think you know 20% is real and 80% is

3479
02:32:08,229 --> 02:32:05,210
not or 25% is really 75% is not I think

3480
02:32:10,420 --> 02:32:08,239
we have to put that equation way up from

3481
02:32:14,109 --> 02:32:10,430
there and I think it's almost the exact

3482
02:32:17,830 --> 02:32:14,119
opposite I think we're dealing with 70%

3483
02:32:20,649 --> 02:32:17,840
80% is is is real no to a certain extent

3484
02:32:22,599 --> 02:32:20,659
and then it's the real out now

3485
02:32:24,790 --> 02:32:22,609
disinformation and the stuff that is

3486
02:32:28,540 --> 02:32:24,800
patently untrue is a much smaller

3487
02:32:30,580 --> 02:32:28,550
percentage 25 30 % maybe but then again

3488
02:32:32,200 --> 02:32:30,590
like if this takes us back to the

3489
02:32:35,590 --> 02:32:32,210
question I was just asking in the

3490
02:32:37,870 --> 02:32:35,600
previous segment like when he states

3491
02:32:40,029 --> 02:32:37,880
specific numbers and that he was there

3492
02:32:41,889 --> 02:32:40,039
and did this at that time like the films

3493
02:32:44,080 --> 02:32:41,899
and the number of agents and so on if if

3494
02:32:48,250 --> 02:32:44,090
you're going to presume that that is

3495
02:32:50,649 --> 02:32:48,260
disinformation then what purpose does

3496
02:32:53,020 --> 02:32:50,659
that disinformation serve just to

3497
02:32:55,390 --> 02:32:53,030
support the pop culture narrative

3498
02:32:57,430 --> 02:32:55,400
a teaser here the government knows

3499
02:33:00,091 --> 02:32:57,440
they're in league with them they've

3500
02:33:03,480 --> 02:33:00,101
captured and back engineered technology

3501
02:33:06,730 --> 02:33:03,490
captured aliens all that stuff is

3502
02:33:08,740 --> 02:33:06,740
subterfuge according to the most of us

3503
02:33:11,290 --> 02:33:08,750
out here we figure that they have got

3504
02:33:12,761 --> 02:33:11,300
this secret information and they're not

3505
02:33:17,560 --> 02:33:12,771
letting us know it

3506
02:33:20,020 --> 02:33:17,570
so lately goes counter to to that agenda

3507
02:33:21,610 --> 02:33:20,030
so like what would be the point tell us

3508
02:33:23,711 --> 02:33:21,620
something that they're trying to cover

3509
02:33:25,330 --> 02:33:23,721
up it's not that they're what they're

3510
02:33:27,610 --> 02:33:25,340
trying to do is they're trying to like

3511
02:33:29,801 --> 02:33:27,620
stick their chests out and be the

3512
02:33:32,440 --> 02:33:29,811
silverback gorilla and say I'm in charge

3513
02:33:35,921 --> 02:33:32,450
here I know everything I have all the

3514
02:33:39,540 --> 02:33:35,931
information you don't know diddly I know

3515
02:33:44,470 --> 02:33:39,550
and you don't so deal with it it's the

3516
02:33:48,011 --> 02:33:44,480
US government saying I'm in control of

3517
02:33:50,290 --> 02:33:48,021
this situation when it appears at least

3518
02:33:52,900 --> 02:33:50,300
to this particular researcher that they

3519
02:33:55,360 --> 02:33:52,910
don't have a clue and the less they know

3520
02:33:57,070 --> 02:33:55,370
and the less that they're in charge the

3521
02:33:58,660 --> 02:33:57,080
more paranoid they get and the more they

3522
02:34:00,881 --> 02:33:58,670
beat their chests and say we are in

3523
02:34:02,320 --> 02:34:00,891
charge so that's the agenda it's

3524
02:34:04,990 --> 02:34:02,330
covering up the fact that they don't

3525
02:34:07,270 --> 02:34:05,000
know diddly I think they have to know a

3526
02:34:09,820 --> 02:34:07,280
lot more than civilians how about this

3527
02:34:14,461 --> 02:34:09,830
for an idea let's suppose that if it's

3528
02:34:17,110 --> 02:34:14,471
some sort of counterintelligence say to

3529
02:34:19,301 --> 02:34:17,120
give the Russians some sort of an

3530
02:34:23,051 --> 02:34:19,311
impression about what we're doing that

3531
02:34:25,350 --> 02:34:23,061
having them know that they're 122 agents

3532
02:34:29,860 --> 02:34:25,360
in various countries looking out for

3533
02:34:32,381 --> 02:34:29,870
highly exotic aircraft and investigating

3534
02:34:35,200 --> 02:34:32,391
reports of highly exotic sightings of

3535
02:34:37,060 --> 02:34:35,210
some sort of aircraft might make them

3536
02:34:39,280 --> 02:34:37,070
think well holy smokes they've got all

3537
02:34:40,990 --> 02:34:39,290
these agents out there looking for UFO

3538
02:34:41,980 --> 02:34:41,000
as well you know they could make you

3539
02:34:45,100 --> 02:34:41,990
know how do we know they're not looking

3540
02:34:46,301 --> 02:34:45,110
for our aircraft but so maybe they're

3541
02:34:48,220 --> 02:34:46,311
maybe they're trying to send a message

3542
02:34:51,070 --> 02:34:48,230
that way saying well you know hey you

3543
02:34:53,980 --> 02:34:51,080
know what the better looking we better

3544
02:34:56,200 --> 02:34:53,990
be careful the message isn't oh my god

3545
02:34:59,080 --> 02:34:56,210
they're sending out 122 agents around

3546
02:35:04,501 --> 02:34:59,090
the world the messages could be a

3547
02:35:07,149 --> 02:35:04,511
thousand 22 or could it be 22 dead point

3548
02:35:08,439 --> 02:35:07,159
either way they're either way the rush

3549
02:35:10,929 --> 02:35:08,449
they're gonna be going well they're

3550
02:35:13,419 --> 02:35:10,939
investigating these these strange

3551
02:35:16,529 --> 02:35:13,429
anomalous objects that could very well

3552
02:35:19,209 --> 02:35:16,539
be one of our highly exotic aircraft so

3553
02:35:19,929 --> 02:35:19,219
you know they they've got trained people

3554
02:35:22,209 --> 02:35:19,939
doing that

3555
02:35:24,010 --> 02:35:22,219
here's another analogy you're an MMA

3556
02:35:27,249 --> 02:35:24,020
fighter you're in the center of the

3557
02:35:29,559 --> 02:35:27,259
Octagon how are you gonna keep the

3558
02:35:31,569 --> 02:35:29,569
judges thinking that you're being

3559
02:35:33,789 --> 02:35:31,579
aggressive and you're in command of the

3560
02:35:35,769 --> 02:35:33,799
Octagon you're gonna keep your opponent

3561
02:35:39,340 --> 02:35:35,779
on their heels they're gonna constantly

3562
02:35:43,449 --> 02:35:39,350
being reacting to you and being kind of

3563
02:35:45,939 --> 02:35:43,459
backpedaling that's the classic sort of

3564
02:35:47,829 --> 02:35:45,949
goal of counterintelligence is to always

3565
02:35:52,149 --> 02:35:47,839
keep your adversary moving backwards and

3566
02:35:54,880 --> 02:35:52,159
reacting to what you're doing so yeah

3567
02:35:56,739 --> 02:35:54,890
you know if you look at this if you look

3568
02:35:58,510 --> 02:35:56,749
at intelligence gathering and

3569
02:36:01,239 --> 02:35:58,520
counterintelligence to intelligence

3570
02:36:04,809 --> 02:36:01,249
gathering as an MMA fight it's losing

3571
02:36:06,489 --> 02:36:04,819
control of the fight and how aggressive

3572
02:36:08,169 --> 02:36:06,499
are they being to keep their opponent on

3573
02:36:10,090 --> 02:36:08,179
their heels and the more you can keep

3574
02:36:11,949 --> 02:36:10,100
your opponent on your heel on their

3575
02:36:14,679 --> 02:36:11,959
heels the more you are in control of the

3576
02:36:19,499 --> 02:36:14,689
situation very true yeah good point

3577
02:36:21,880 --> 02:36:19,509
and if the word UFO is an allusion to

3578
02:36:24,489 --> 02:36:21,890
exotic aircraft right if it's a

3579
02:36:26,800 --> 02:36:24,499
euphemism if he's not saying what he's

3580
02:36:29,260 --> 02:36:26,810
really saying is I was trained I saw

3581
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:29,270
films of crashed foreign aircraft

3582
02:36:33,519 --> 02:36:31,850
recovery operations we have agents all

3583
02:36:35,829 --> 02:36:33,529
around the world checking this stuff out

3584
02:36:39,069 --> 02:36:35,839
so if you guys think we're not looking

3585
02:36:42,519 --> 02:36:39,079
well guess again we are yeah exactly

3586
02:36:45,010 --> 02:36:42,529
very very good analogy why - oh this has

3587
02:36:47,319 --> 02:36:45,020
been is a lot of fun and you can see

3588
02:36:50,469 --> 02:36:47,329
when you bring in someone like Eric Dodi

3589
02:36:51,999 --> 02:36:50,479
what a bunch of things can come across

3590
02:36:53,649 --> 02:36:52,009
and I don't want to say with a bunch of

3591
02:36:56,590 --> 02:36:53,659
things are gonna be crazy oh by the way

3592
02:37:00,130 --> 02:36:56,600
I looked up when Robert M Collins was on

3593
02:37:03,639 --> 02:37:00,140
the power cast he was on twice he was on

3594
02:37:06,489 --> 02:37:03,649
with Paul Smith on September 17th 2006

3595
02:37:09,489 --> 02:37:06,499
it's available from our archives he was

3596
02:37:14,169 --> 02:37:09,499
on with Loren Coleman and George Knapp

3597
02:37:16,449 --> 02:37:14,179
separately on October 8th 2006 he hasn't

3598
02:37:19,400 --> 02:37:16,459
been on when I've been on well I know

3599
02:37:21,381 --> 02:37:19,410
that but we can always change that Chris

3600
02:37:23,150 --> 02:37:21,391
how's the blog coming have you started

3601
02:37:25,100 --> 02:37:23,160
bringing it up to date again

3602
02:37:28,520 --> 02:37:25,110
yeah actually I'm working on something

3603
02:37:31,040 --> 02:37:28,530
right now and I'm also working on an

3604
02:37:34,670 --> 02:37:31,050
incredible website that is gonna have

3605
02:37:36,940 --> 02:37:34,680
some pretty nice stuff it's a commercial

3606
02:37:41,210 --> 02:37:36,950
website with lots of collectibles

3607
02:37:43,160 --> 02:37:41,220
fossils art and other things that I

3608
02:37:45,770 --> 02:37:43,170
think will interest some of at least

3609
02:37:47,390 --> 02:37:45,780
some of our hairlessness so we'll

3610
02:37:48,801 --> 02:37:47,400
present that information as soon as you

3611
02:37:50,870 --> 02:37:48,811
have it up and I'll make sure to

3612
02:37:53,511 --> 02:37:50,880
criticize it and completely update it

3613
02:37:55,190 --> 02:37:53,521
Randall tell our listeners very quickly

3614
02:38:00,040 --> 02:37:55,200
because we have to go where to find your

3615
02:38:02,690 --> 02:38:00,050
stuff I'm at UFO pages dot-com that's

3616
02:38:05,810 --> 02:38:02,700
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3617
02:38:09,650 --> 02:38:05,820
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3620
02:38:14,810 --> 02:38:13,710
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3621
02:38:16,881 --> 02:38:14,820
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02:38:31,551 --> 02:38:29,820
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3627
02:38:32,900 --> 02:38:31,561
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3628
02:38:35,540 --> 02:38:32,910
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02:38:38,990 --> 02:38:35,550
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